The Andy Burnham Thread

[c_cubed51]

23 minutes ago, ruby said:

You are an idiot, haven't you heard of ageism, sure it is illegal but it still happens. According to the BBC it is more prominent now than it ever was. Go tell that to the steel worker in Port Talbot where there literally are no jobs. Sure if you are like me that has done training all their life not an issue but even then if the market is awash with your skill set, even then it is difficult. I notice you are still throwing the insults, you should know better and not be so bitter and twisted about the BP profits. So what they made a big profit, many other companies do as well. If you want to get upset look at how much Dale Vince creams off the Government in Net Zero subsidies without which his company would be totally unprofitable. 

Still obfuscating.

You were caught out in a bit of dishonesty. Admit it. Let's all move on.

[c_cubed51]

45 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Just a hint. Why don't you first say what time period you are talking about.

Just a hint. Somewhere between 1832 and 2000.

ruby's poly was not the only institute of higher education which offered moderation at the time when he was there. Every uni and poly in Britain did. As did similar institutions all over the world.

ruby's claim that universities in the UK did not have external moderation back when he was studying is simply not true.

Got it now?

Edited August 6 by c_cubed51

[ruby]

1 hour ago, c_cubed51 said:

Just a hint. Somewhere between 1832 and 2000.

ruby's poly was not the only institute of higher education which offered moderation at the time when he was there. Every uni and poly in Britain did. As did similar institutions all over the world.

ruby's claim that universities in the UK did not have external moderation back when he was studying is simply not true.

Got it now?

I knew I was right.

• Degrees: Polytechnics could not award their own degrees. An outside group called the Council for National Academic Awards approved and granted their degrees. Universities always awarded their own degrees. [1, 2, 3, 4]

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[ruby]

And just for the record before AB utters a snide remark are the reasons for choosing my particular degree. I did a sandwich course.

• Focus: Polytechnics taught vocational, professional, and technical skills. Universities taught traditional academic subjects. [1, 2, 3]

• Control: Local government authorities ran polytechnics. Universities were fully independent and self-governing. [1, 2, 3]

• Degrees: Polytechnics could not award their own degrees. An outside group called the Council for National Academic Awards approved and granted their degrees. Universities always awarded their own degrees. [1, 2, 3, 4]

• Research: Universities received specific funding to conduct high-level academic research. Polytechnics focused mainly on teaching. [1, 2, 3, 4]

• Students: Polytechnics offered more part-time, sandwich, and flexible local courses. Universities focused more on traditional full-time student pathways. [1, 2, 3]

[rowlf]

2 hours ago, c_cubed51 said:

Just a hint. Somewhere between 1832 and 2000.

ruby's poly was not the only institute of higher education which offered moderation at the time when he was there. Every uni and poly in Britain did. As did similar institutions all over the world.

ruby's claim that universities in the UK did not have external moderation back when he was studying is simply not true.

Got it now?

You certainly are a fumb ducker.

[Sparkler]

9 minutes ago, rowlf said:

You certainly are a fumb ducker.

The man who complains 1: about the standard of discussion on here and 2: people calling others names… once again shows his class and intellectual level.

Clearly our yank member simply has no idea on the subject at hand and thinks he’s siding with the correct opinion. Well of course he isn’t, cos that opinion is plainly incorrect.

[c_cubed51]

2 hours ago, ruby said:

I knew I was right.

• Degrees: Polytechnics could not award their own degrees. An outside group called the Council for National Academic Awards approved and granted their degrees. Universities always awarded their own degrees. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Well, I concede that I misunderstood what you were saying, and I congratulate you on doing the research to prove me wrong.

👏

[rowlf]

1 hour ago, c_cubed51 said:

Well, I concede that I misunderstood what you were saying, and I congratulate you on doing the research to prove me wrong.

👏

And so, you should finally acknowledge that you're a butt wipe. It's been a long time coming. And maybe your little butt buddy can learn from you going to your knees. Bravo!

[c_cubed51]

8 minutes ago, rowlf said:

And so, you should finally acknowledge that you're a butt wipe. It's been a long time coming. And maybe your little butt buddy can learn from you going to your knees. Bravo!

Such grace. 🤡🤡🤡

[ruby]

3 minutes ago, rowlf said:

And so, you should finally acknowledge that you're a butt wipe. It's been a long time coming. And maybe your little butt buddy can learn from you going to your knees. Bravo!

As I have said many times, when I was at the tender age of 18 I put a lot of thought into what degree I was going to get and that it was going to get me a job at the end. Even now I remember that was one of the reasons for choosing that college. I did not want to turn up to a lecture theatre listening to a lecturer that was more interested in their research than teaching a load of 18 year olds. Virtually all my lecturers had been in industry, most in heavy power because electronics was really new when I studied it. It was an exceptionally good choice.

on another subject I bet you didn't know a wind turbine inner contains balsa wood and it three trees to make it. One of the reasons Trumps hates windfarms is it effects military radar. BBC don't tell you that. Oh yes and they are felling wild balsa trees in the Amazon basin as the sustainable source has been deleted. Amazing what you can find out.

[rowlf]

18 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

Such grace. 🤡🤡🤡

Believe me, it's the least I could do!  🤣

[Love All Nylon]

14 hours ago, c_cubed51 said:

This, from AI:

Polling indicates that a significant majority of the British public is frustrated or disapproves of the handling of small boat crossings. While the issue generates strong emotional responses regarding border control and fairness, public sentiment is complex, with varying opinions across different demographics and regions. [1, 2]

Research highlights that media coverage of these crossings often triggers immediate shifts in public perception. While a large portion of the population supports stricter enforcement or refusing asylum claims from those entering illegally, others—including various humanitarian organizations—advocate for establishing safe, legal routes and addressing the root causes of the migration. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The point of Giles' cartoon is that much of the hype around the issue is media-driven and that many people in society couldn't give a rat's behind about boat crossings. People on the right of the political spectrum are driven by prejudice, ignorance and fear, and an inability to put themselves into the shoes of those crossing the channel. Statistical facts do not sway their opinions. People on the left care about others. They tend to be more highly educated, literate and numerate. They appreciate that one needs to take a balanced view of the situation and not be transported by the media, especially right-wing channels like GBNews, into a state of irrational fear.

Now, as to your claim that those crossing the channel illegally have cost us billions so far, 

While small boat arrivals are highly visible, they represent only a portion of the broader irregular migration challenge: [1, 2]

• Small Boats vs. Total Migration: Small boat crossings account for roughly 5% of total immigration into the UK. [1]

• Visa Overstayers: The majority of undocumented people in the UK originally arrived via legal pathways (such as work, study, or family visas) and subsequently overstayed their legal limits or had applications withdrawn. [1, 2, 3]

• No Recourse to Public Funds (NRPF): It is a common misconception that all undocumented migrants receive state benefits. Under UK law, individuals without legal status or those on temporary visas are subject to NRPF rules, legally blocking them from accessing mainstream welfare benefits like Universal Credit or Child Benefit. [1]

The small boat crossing issue, whilst I do not wish to deny its existence, is not the main reason the UK government spends those billions of pounds.

Try to keep calm, and do not let media outlets such as GBNews and politicians like Nigel Farage stir your emotions. Try to be like the Giles family in the cartoon. Get a dog or two, and a cat. Spend less time watching TV. Take regular naps. Talk to granny, and your kids and grandkids. Appreciate what you have.

 

I did ask for your personal opinion, but hey ho, dodge the rather awkward question!

[ECCouple]

5 hours ago, rowlf said:

You certainly are a fumb ducker.

Speaking of which, see your earlier post, it’s Yin and Yang - not Ying and Yang.

[ECCouple]

6 hours ago, ruby said:

And just for the record before AB utters a snide remark are the reasons for choosing my particular degree. I did a sandwich course.

And did you do alright in the sandwich business?

[rowlf]

2 minutes ago, ECCouple said:

Speaking of which, see your earlier post, it’s Yin and Yang - not Ying and Yang.

At least I'm consistent in my spelling.

[Sparkler]

40 minutes ago, rowlf said:

At least I'm consistent in my spelling.

And in your ignorance.

That strait open yet?

That war you won in march over yet?

I heard you guys are running out of missiles. I guess you dropped them all on civilians by now.

How are your groceries doing?

Greatest EVER economy I heard also.

Are “they” going to be prosecuted for cutting that 250, 300, 350 foot slash in that green pool you got? 

😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡 

[c_cubed51]

8 hours ago, Love All Nylon said:

I did ask for your personal opinion, but hey ho, dodge the rather awkward question!

My personal opinion was expressed right there, in amongst all the facts. I realise you struggled unsuccessfully to notice it. In a nutshell

1. The media and politicians have hyped up the problem of boat crossings, out of proportion to reality.

2. The real issue is overstayers - people who arrived in the UK legally but failed to leave when their visas expired. But little attention is paid to that.

3. Stop allowing the media, particularly GBNews, and politicians such as Nigel Farage to fill you with their prejudice, hatred and FEAR. Chill out. Be like the Giles family in the cartoon. Enjoy life.  It's the only one you have, don't allow others to spoil it for you.

[c_cubed51]

10 hours ago, ruby said:

on another subject I bet you didn't know a wind turbine inner contains balsa wood and it three trees to make it. One of the reasons Trumps hates windfarms is it effects military radar. BBC don't tell you that. Oh yes and they are felling wild balsa trees in the Amazon basin as the sustainable source has been deleted. Amazing what you can find out.

Fact check: (I've highlighted the last bit for you.)

Your statement contains a mix of accurate facts, valid environmental concerns, and political context, though some parts are more nuanced than a simple "yes" or "no." Large wind turbine blades do use balsa wood, and this has driven illegal logging in parts of the Amazon, but the claims regarding radar and political motivations involve broader debates. [1, 2]

Balsa Wood in Wind Turbines

• Core material: Large wind turbine blades use balsa wood inside a sandwich structure because it is very light and strong. [1, 2]

• Amount of wood: A single modern, large turbine blade can consume substantial amounts of balsa wood (often measured in cubic meters or tonnes per blade rather than a fixed "three trees"), depending on the size of the rotor. [1]

• Amazon rainforest impact: Ecuador supplies most of the world's balsa wood. A massive surge in global demand led to "balsa fever," which resulted in illegal logging and environmental damage stretching into native forests and indigenous territories in the Amazon basin. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Wind Farms and Military Radar

• Radar interference: Large moving wind turbine blades do reflect radar signals and can cause false returns, clutter, or blind spots for ground-based military and air traffic control radar. [1, 2]

• Mitigation: This is a recognized engineering challenge worldwide. Governments and militaries (including the U.S. Department of Defense and the UK Ministry of Defence) work with developers to upgrade radar software, deploy gap-filler radars, or establish setback distances rather than universally banning wind power. [1, 2]

• Political context: While the U.S. administration and the Pentagon have cited national security and radar/drone interference risks to pause or restrict offshore wind leases, critics and federal judges have frequently characterized these broad stop-orders as politically motivated actions against renewable energy. [1, 2]

[ruby]

1 hour ago, c_cubed51 said:

Fact check: (I've highlighted the last bit for you.)

Your statement contains a mix of accurate facts, valid environmental concerns, and political context, though some parts are more nuanced than a simple "yes" or "no." Large wind turbine blades do use balsa wood, and this has driven illegal logging in parts of the Amazon, but the claims regarding radar and political motivations involve broader debates. [1, 2]

 

Balsa Wood in Wind Turbines

• Core material: Large wind turbine blades use balsa wood inside a sandwich structure because it is very light and strong. [1, 2]

• Amount of wood: A single modern, large turbine blade can consume substantial amounts of balsa wood (often measured in cubic meters or tonnes per blade rather than a fixed "three trees"), depending on the size of the rotor. [1]

• Amazon rainforest impact: Ecuador supplies most of the world's balsa wood. A massive surge in global demand led to "balsa fever," which resulted in illegal logging and environmental damage stretching into native forests and indigenous territories in the Amazon basin. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

Wind Farms and Military Radar

• Radar interference: Large moving wind turbine blades do reflect radar signals and can cause false returns, clutter, or blind spots for ground-based military and air traffic control radar. [1, 2]

• Mitigation: This is a recognized engineering challenge worldwide. Governments and militaries (including the U.S. Department of Defense and the UK Ministry of Defence) work with developers to upgrade radar software, deploy gap-filler radars, or establish setback distances rather than universally banning wind power. [1, 2]

• Political context: While the U.S. administration and the Pentagon have cited national security and radar/drone interference risks to pause or restrict offshore wind leases, critics and federal judges have frequently characterized these broad stop-orders as politically motivated actions against renewable energy. [1, 2]

So I was right, I will forget the bit you highlighted part as that is hard to prove, any climate change activist will say the same. Sweden has been removing certain ones for the same reasons. The UK has a multi billion pound project for research into how to overcome the issue. It appears it is a very difficult issue to solve. 

You missed one bit they are trying to move away from balsa and use recycled plastic bottles but seeing as the Chinese still use asbestos for brakes, I wouldn't hold my breathe about the Chinese doing it.

[c_cubed51]

3 minutes ago, ruby said:

So I was right, I will forget the bit you highlighted part as that is hard to prove,

Hard to prove that #47 is opposed to renewable energy? You must have your head in the sand!

Trump administration to pay German firm $1.22bn to cut offshore wind leases | Trump administration | The Guardian

The article mentions how much these actions have cost the US taxpayer already. 

This latest deal takes it to almost $4bn of taxpayer money spent on killing offshore wind projects.

[ruby]

31 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

Hard to prove that #47 is opposed to renewable energy? You must have your head in the sand!

Trump administration to pay German firm $1.22bn to cut offshore wind leases | Trump administration | The Guardian

The article mentions how much these actions have cost the US taxpayer already. 

This latest deal takes it to almost $4bn of taxpayer money spent on killing offshore wind projects.

Money well spent, it saves cutting them down when the gearbox fails.

[ruby]

Anyway to lighten up your day, I found this.

 

[Alteredbhoy]

There is an economic fallacy within the economic model of the free market, and it is patently on display here. The study of economics is the study of how the finite resources of the world are utilised to the best advantage of mankind.

The free market model of demand and supply balances out the economic cost of a product against the amount that consumers are willing to pay. Or so it claims. But the economic cost of the product includes only the cost of raw materials, production costs and marketing and retail costs. It does not include the cost of disposing of the product once it is obsolete, or the cost of the consequences of consumption. So the consumer is not bearing all the costs of consuming the product.

The cost of pollution caused by either the production or consumption of a product is such a cost. These costs end up being met by governments through taxation, as they are not being borne by the consumer. Or we end up with pollution.

So on this thread we have heard from ruby that electricity generated from fossil fuels is the cheapest. That statement only holds true because the environmental costs of burning fossil fuels are not considered in the price paid by the consumer. The economic cost of this form of electricity generation is much higher, because it includes the costs that future generations will incur in resolving the pollution that we are currently creating.

It is interesting that ruby ignores these costs in considering the production and consumption of fossil fuels. But he is very keen to include them when considering alternative energy sources. So he is desperate to highlight pollution caused by the mining of lithium, or the environmental cost of using balsa wood in wind turbines.

It is a clearly partisan view that he uses to justify his own particular prejudices.

[Alteredbhoy]

7 minutes ago, ruby said:

Anyway to lighten up your day, I found this.

 

If this is the typical source of your news, no wonder you spout so much garbage and bullshit.

Do you ever consider who is producing this junk? Is it from a Russian bot factory in St Petersburg. Or a far right Neo-Nazi cell in Burnley?

Do you care, so long as it tells you what you want to hear?

[Alteredbhoy]

16 hours ago, ruby said:

And just for the record before AB utters a snide remark are the reasons for choosing my particular degree. I did a sandwich course.

As I said previously, you are very insecure about your intelligence and educational qualifications. And your insecurity shines through in this comment.

In your earlier comment to Cubed you stated that the main difference between a Polytechnic and University was that the Polytechnic was externally assessed (by CNAA, though you did not state this at the time).

Whilst the CNAA affiliation was a difference in how Polytechnics were established and operated, it was not the main difference between them and a University, as you claim.

The main difference was in the range of courses and qualifications that they provided and the students to which they provided those courses. This is highlighted in the first bullet point of your post.

16 hours ago, ruby said:

• Focus: Polytechnics taught vocational, professional, and technical skills. Universities taught traditional academic subjects. 

Universities taught academic subjects and Polytechnic more vocational subjects aimed at less academically able students. The CNAA was simply how they were affiliated to deliver that difference.

This can be seen in a previous conversation we have had about your degree, when you claimed it had a high mathematical content. The elements of mathematics that you described as forming part of the syllabus were those contained at the time in the 'A' level maths syllabus. This isn't degree level mathematics. it is a degree that incorporated a foundation course in mathematics for the less academically able who did not study 'A' level maths. 

A degree whose study involves inclusion of the 'A' level.syllabuss is clearly not as rigourous one that requires students to have attained 'A' level.mathematics before being enrolled upon it.

[c_cubed51]

13 hours ago, ruby said:

As I have said many times, when I was at the tender age of 18 I put a lot of thought into what degree I was going to get and that it was going to get me a job at the end. Even now I remember that was one of the reasons for choosing that college. I did not want to turn up to a lecture theatre listening to a lecturer that was more interested in their research than teaching a load of 18 year olds. Virtually all my lecturers had been in industry, most in heavy power because electronics was really new when I studied it. It was an exceptionally good choice.

I decided to simply apologize for my misconception regarding the role of the CNAA, and move on, rather than point out to ruby that there were other reasons for his decision to enrol at a poly rather than a university. 

26 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

In your earlier comment to Cubed you stated that the main difference between a Polytechnic and University was that the Polytechnic was externally assessed (by CNAA, though you did not state this at the time).

Whilst the CNAA affiliation was a difference in how Polytechnics were established and operated, it was not the main difference between them and a University, as you claim.

ruby claimed that this was the MAIN (indeed, by implication, the only) reason for his decision to study at a ploy, whereas his latest post cites other reasons for making this choice. 

His decision not to go to a university, which emphasises research skills rather than industrial ones, also provides a reason why his own research skills seem to be rather poor. And this is why I opted to praise him for finding the information about the CNAA. Good teachers praise people. He put in an effort! He succeeded! 👏

Of course, people like rowlf who are so full of prejudice and fear, fail to understand why a simple apology elevates the standing of both the one receiving the apology and the one offering it.

He'd rather use a gun to settle a disagreement, than give or receive an apology.

Edited August 7 by c_cubed51

[ruby]

12 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

As I said previously, you are very insecure about your intelligence and educational qualifications. And your insecurity shines through in this comment.

In your earlier comment to Cubed you stated that the main difference between a Polytechnic and University was that the Polytechnic was externally assessed (by CNAA, though you did not state this at the time).

Whilst the CNAA affiliation was a difference in how Polytechnics were established and operated, it was not the main difference between them and a University, as you claim.

The main difference was in the range of courses and qualifications that they provided and the students to which they provided those courses. This is highlighted in the first bullet point of your post.

Universities taught academic subjects and Polytechnic more vocational subjects aimed at less academically able students. The CNAA was simply how they were affiliated to deliver that difference.

This can be seen in a previous conversation we have had about your degree, when you claimed it had a high mathematical content. The elements of mathematics that you described as forming part of the syllabus were those contained at the time in the 'A' level maths syllabus. This isn't degree level mathematics. it is a degree that incorporated a foundation course in mathematics for the less academically able who did not study 'A' level maths. 

A degree whose study involves inclusion of the 'A' level.syllabuss is clearly not as rigourous one that requires students to have attained 'A' level.mathematics before being enrolled upon it.

You are wasting your time, Polys don't exist anymore so it is a bit academic. I retired 10 years ago so basically your post is irrelevant. Most of the programming languages or the microprocessors I used weren't even designed when I did my degree, I think it is called progress. In the end all it proves is that I have a more than acceptable level of education the IET and Engineering Council thought it was good enough, so that ends the arguement.

[Alteredbhoy]

19 minutes ago, ruby said:

You are wasting your time, Polys don't exist anymore so it is a bit academic. I retired 10 years ago so basically your post is irrelevant. Most of the programming languages or the microprocessors I used weren't even designed when I did my degree, I think it is called progress. In the end all it proves is that I have a more than acceptable level of education the IET and Engineering Council thought it was good enough, so that ends the arguement.

As I said, you are very insecure about your education. You exaggerated the mathematical content of your degree, but when called out over it, you don't want to discuss it any more because it was a long time ago and is no longer relevant.

So if it was a long time ago and no longer relevant, why did you feel the need to exaggerate it? Were you ashamed of the actual level of mathematical content and were seeking to deny it's true level? Or were you seeking to suggest dishonesty that your mathematical ability, education and knowledge were comparable to somebody whose academic University degree and Masters contained mathematics at a much higher level?

Whatever reason, it confirms your insecurities to me.

Maybe it is time for you to go and watch some more cartoons on YouTube.

[Lynn and John]

Of all the important things that need doing Andy Pandy and the new chancellor discuss pub snacks.  God help us.

 

[c_cubed51]

On 05/08/2026 at 13:13, rowlf said:

And if the HMS Dragin' is seaworthy by know, promise that your boat shall escort the boat from whence it came. But before doing so, take in custody the ringleaders to make an example of those to do the dirty work of others. You know, like you imprisoned the mother for suggesting the illegal cesspools should be burned to the ground.

Got any words of compassion for the American sailors on board the USS Abraham Lincoln, rowlf? Or can you only manage snide, ignorant comments?

Morale plummeting on USS Abraham Lincoln, family members say

[c_cubed51]

7 hours ago, c_cubed51 said:

My personal opinion was expressed right there, in amongst all the facts. I realise you struggled unsuccessfully to notice it. In a nutshell

1. The media and politicians have hyped up the problem of boat crossings, out of proportion to reality.

2. The real issue is overstayers - people who arrived in the UK legally but failed to leave when their visas expired. But little attention is paid to that.

3. Stop allowing the media, particularly GBNews, and politicians such as Nigel Farage to fill you with their prejudice, hatred and FEAR. Chill out. Be like the Giles family in the cartoon. Enjoy life.  It's the only one you have, don't allow others to spoil it for you.

Here is some evidence that the UK government is doing something about the real issue, namely people who have overstayed their visas and are now working illegally in this country.

Illegal working arrests soar as top Reform figure Zia Yusuf branded 'pillock' over migration plan

Just saying ...

[rowlf]

2 hours ago, c_cubed51 said:

Got any words of compassion for the American sailors on board the USS Abraham Lincoln, rowlf? Or can you only manage snide, ignorant comments?

Morale plummeting on USS Abraham Lincoln, family members say

First, let me say this is coming from someone wanting to do a 'hit piece' on the US. This post was originated by MS NOW, a liberal pos. I wonder how those 'dozen family members' were chosen.

of course, these sailors are tired and want to go home. They hadn't expected this long a tour of duty and want to see family and friends. Shit happens.

Let there be no mistake about it, the US military are well provided for. I know this for a fact.

I was in Vietnam for one year, and I know how these people feel. No matter our feelings we hunkered down and did what we were told as best we could.

The one difference is that I was drafted. The gendarmes came for me whilst sitting on my daddy's front porch. I still have the lumps on my head from the concrete steps.

The current military signs up for a specific time and knew what they were getting into.

The current tragedy we see here is that any Tom, Dick or Harry can find these bastardized articles and accept without thought. This time it happened to be a Dick.

MS NOW spoke to a dozen family members who say they are extremely concerned with the morale, safety and conditions on the ship. They described a crew straining under the demands of an unexpectedly long deployment, as President Donald Trump continues to extend his military campaign against Iran with no clear end in sight

[c_cubed51]

1 minute ago, rowlf said:

First, let me say this is coming from someone wanting to do a 'hit piece' on the US. This post was originated by MS NOW, a liberal pos. I wonder how those 'dozen family members' were chosen.

So, no words of compassion then? Am I surprised? No!

[rowlf]

1 minute ago, c_cubed51 said:

So, no words of compassion then? Am I surprised? No!

This is exactly what I mean. I stated that I did have empathy for them, as I was once in the same situation. Crocodile tears are a waste of time. Now, cry me a river.

[rowlf]

1 hour ago, c_cubed51 said:

So, no words of compassion then? Am I surprised? No!

And he slinks away to lick his wounds. One could ask himself why he would ask these things. You're not ab, you'll never be ab. Possibiy that's a good thing.

Possibly it's 'Illegal 'Alien Day' and he's preaching the gospel on the streets of London.

Another werewolves in London scenario..................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qae25976UgA&list=RDqae25976UgA&start_radio=1

 

[c_cubed51]

2 hours ago, rowlf said:

This is exactly what I mean. I stated that I did have empathy for them, as I was once in the same situation. Crocodile tears are a waste of time. Now, cry me a river.

Empathy?

You wonder how those 'dozen family members' were chosen. Does it matter?

"Shit happens" - so they should simply accept it?

"The US military are well provided for" - apparently not!

"I know how these people feel. NO MATTER ..." - hardly empathetic!

"(They) knew what they were getting into." - No, no empathy there either.

And finally, "Crocodile tears are a waste of time." - not highly empathetic, rowf.

Edited August 7 by c_cubed51

[rowlf]

31 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

Empathy?

Look in the dictionary.

You wonder how those 'dozen family members' were chosen. Does it matter?

Of course it matters. Are you a fool? Don't answer.

"Shit happens" - so they should simply accept it?

It would be difficult to go AWOL ON A BOAT.

"The US military are well provided for" - apparently not!

You are taking as the gospel what MSN NOW is telling you.

"I know how these people feel. NO MATTER ..." - hardly empathetic!

And the rest of the sentence..........? They enlisted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

"(They) knew what they were getting into." - No, no empathy there either.

They enlisted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And finally, "Crocodile tears are a waste of time." - not highly empathetic, rowf.

Sometimes a man must draw a red line on his emotions. Get a grip.

Didn't you say you spent time in the military? Have you heard of Military Justice?

[rowlf]

7 hours ago, c_cubed51 said:

Got any words of compassion for the American sailors on board the USS Abraham Lincoln, rowlf? Or can you only manage snide, ignorant comments?

I know our armed forces take care of their soldiers. 

Whoever told them soldiers was going hungry are lying.

You have the questions. Never any answers.

[c_cubed51]

7 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Didn't you say you spent time in the military? Have you heard of Military Justice?

So many snide comments to make about HMS Dragon and the UK Navy, but cannot criticize what is happening on the USS Abraham Lincoln and in the US Navy. Truly, dissent ist verboten.

Not once have you made an empathetic comment about the treatment of US military personnel, present or past, by the current regime.

Your blind support for #47 and Hegseth is astonishing.

Military justice? General Mark Milley, General Charles Q Brown Jnr, Admiral Lisa Franchetti, not to mention support for military personnel accused of war crimes. 

 

[rowlf]

17 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

So many snide comments to make about HMS Dragon and the UK Navy, but cannot criticize what is happening on the USS Abraham Lincoln and in the US Navy. Truly, dissent ist verboten.

Not once have you made an empathetic comment about the treatment of US military personnel, present or past, by the current regime.

Your blind support for #47 and Hegseth is astonishing.

Military justice? General Mark Milley, General Charles Q Brown Jnr, Admiral Lisa Franchetti, not to mention support for military personnel accused of war crimes. 

 

I am a veteran. I did everything asked of me, and more. Why should I criticize my own gov. You do enough for our entire nation.

I'm also not going to criticize my gov because I know what you say is not true. Like almost 100% of what you say.

You seem to be in some orbit looking for your final resting place. I found mine. I've been lucky enough to travel through many different places in the world. Never Europe, though. I enjoyed my stay, but ready to leave when the job was done.

I hear talking about the dangers in the US and I think that it's sad that people can be swayed by the media. I don't think the US is as gay and cupreous as what the World Cup people raved about, but it's not like you think it is.

You read about Milly and Brown and think you can ascertain what is happening. I don't pay any attention to it. I'll leave it to you.

Many times, I have stated my support for #47 is not blind. You desire one type of leader. I have mine. I've never thought much of Hegseth. But the media has it out for him, So I think he's doing much better than I thought.

I told you about the sailors on the Aircraft carrier is not true. It's a silly thing to post. There are most likely thousands of people on that ship and MS NOW can only find a dozen to interview and after that, disbursed them into the world to multiply?