Hand in Hand (another world is possible)

[Alteredbhoy]

19 minutes ago, rowlf said:

If Israel can keep the 'peacemakers' at bay, there may be no more a 'Hamas'.

That is the height of naivety. 

[rowlf]

4 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

That is the height of naivety. 

Who tells you this?

[Alteredbhoy]

6 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Who tells you this?

History

[rowlf]

2 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

History

But you're unable to read the future. Can the media show you the future? Or do they tell you what they want in the future?

[Alteredbhoy]

40 minutes ago, rowlf said:

But you're unable to read the future. Can the media show you the future? Or do they tell you what they want in the future?

What kind of stupid response is that? We can only learn from history, there is no other source available to us. Or are you suggesting that Israel kills 20,000 Palestinians as a gamble, or an experiment. To see if it works?

After 9/11, the Western Democracies bombed Afghanistan into the stone age to counter Al Qaeda and the Taliban. That lead to the formation of ISIS and the Taliban existing the Country. And now they are back. And ISIS is in Iraq and Syria, with Book Haram in West Africa and another in the Horn of Africa.

And you learn nothing, but express the little you know in cliches.

And all the time you've expressed support and sympathy for home grown right wing terrorists in your own nation who tried to stage a coup.

As dappi says, you are obnoxious.

When 50,000 Palestinian children have been killed and Hamas still exists in the West Bank or Lebanon if not Gaza, what are you going to suggest? That Israel kill another 50,000 children?

[Ursula Harrison]

2 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Which would suggest Israel are fulfilling Hamas's wishes and guaranteeing them decades more of conflict

 

Exactly.

[rowlf]

6 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

The Israeli response to the Hamas terrorist attack is guaranteed to perpetuate Hamas or its replacement.

Are you saying that it's futile for Israel to respond to this massacre?

[Alteredbhoy]

6 hours ago, rowlf said:

Are you saying that it's futile for Israel to respond to this massacre?

No. I'm saying that by responding in the manner they have that they have guaranteed more years of conflict before any progress to a resolution can be found.

Was the NATO led invasion of Afghanistan futile?

[rowlf]

5 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

No. I'm saying that by responding in the manner they have that they have guaranteed more years of conflict before any progress to a resolution can be found.

Was the NATO led invasion of Afghanistan futile?

But, with all due respect, you are suggesting that it's acceptable for the Israelis to stop the mission they're on and go back home and act as if nothing has happened. I read that some Israelis had 'safe rooms' in their homes. Hamas broke into these rooms and dragged out the people that were in there. We all have read the possibilities that could have happened to these people. Every night, from now on, these people that had gone through this, or even know of this would lie awake not knowing if they would see another day. Or what was in store for them if they did live through the night.

If you can't comprehend that this is a defining point in the history of man. And that these days may also be the final days of time, either you're not paying attention, or you have lost your 'rosy glow' for life.

When you speak of Afghanistan, and cubed speaks of Jan 6th, you actually think it's pertinent to what we're talking about here. As pertinent would be one of my favorites...'Does a bear shit in the woods?' Or is a pig's patootie pork?'

Lately I hear the word 'Orwellian' quite a bit nowadays.  I read the book over 20 years before the time frame that George Orwell had written. At my age I don't remember all the details of the book. But I remember it as a cold, dark and hateful book.

I'm old enough to know that events will happen as they should in this world. There is a purpose and a reason for everything in life. However, I consider ignorance and defeatist attitudes very embarrassing in today's world.

But George wrote the book and he wouldn't lie about it. Tell me about the rabbits George! Both books, '1984' and 'Of mice and men'.

[Love All Nylon]

21 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

 

The only way to defeat terrorism is to ensure that the environment in which terrorism festers is not allowed to exist.

 

Exactly, bomb the crap out of them! Or would you prefer to invite them over for a cuppa and a chat?

[Alteredbhoy]

14 minutes ago, Love All Nylon said:

Exactly, bomb the crap out of them! Or would you prefer to invite them over for a cuppa and a chat?

That removes the terrorist, but not the environment. It provides short term relief from the terrorist, but breeds future terrorists.

Deliberately undertaking an act that will encourage future terrorism is not much better behaviour and decision making than that shown by the terrorists.

[Love All Nylon]

3 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

That removes the terrorist, but not the environment. It provides short term relief from the terrorist, but breeds future terrorists.

Deliberately undertaking an act that will encourage future terrorism is not much better behaviour and decision making than that shown by the terrorists.

I can see no way of ever eradicating terrorism, particularly in the Middle East.  

[Alteredbhoy]

2 hours ago, rowlf said:

But, with all due respect, 

Well that's a lie. You don't know how to respect another's view if it differs from yours. You assume they are intellectually feeble and have been brainwashed by MSM or some such.

 

2 hours ago, rowlf said:

you are suggesting that it's acceptable for the Israelis to stop the mission they're on and go back home and act as if nothing has happened. 

And there's the evidence that you don't read or understand any view that competes against your own.

Nobody has suggested Israel should "act as if nothing has happened". Such behaviour would be a surrender to terrorism and almost certainly ensure its repeat.

They should do everything they can to prevent another occurrence. But what they have done in Gaza and are doing in the West Bank guarantees a repeat.

The rest of your lengthy post is just pointless diarrhea, dribbling from your orifice.

[c_cubed51]

rowlf hasn't understood a word that Rabbi Ruttenberg was saying ... 😭

[Alteredbhoy]

1 hour ago, Love All Nylon said:

I can see no way of ever eradicating terrorism, particularly in the Middle East.  

So your suggestion of bombing them to oblivion was simply a means of causing lots of collateral damage and victims. In effect, you were simply advocating terrorist reprisals.

[rowlf]

2 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Well that's a lie. You don't know how to respect another's view if it differs from yours. You assume they are intellectually feeble and have been brainwashed by MSM or some such.

 

And there's the evidence that you don't read or understand any view that competes against your own.

Nobody has suggested Israel should "act as if nothing has happened". Such behaviour would be a surrender to terrorism and almost certainly ensure its repeat.

They should do everything they can to prevent another occurrence. But what they have done in Gaza and are doing in the West Bank guarantees a repeat.

The rest of your lengthy post is just pointless diarrhea, dribbling from your orifice.

But at no time can you acknowledge that, if you were in the position the Israelis are in, you would leave no stone unturned before you erased those animals from the face of the Earth. You're a shell of a man talking the talk. You are the one that enabled them to do what they did. And you feel no responsibility.

[c_cubed51]

7 minutes ago, rowlf said:

But at no time can you acknowledge that, if you were in the position the Israelis are in, you would leave no stone unturned before you erased those animals from the face of the Earth. You're a shell of a man talking the talk. You are the one that enabled them to do what they did. And you feel no responsibility.

On what factual basis do you make these assertions, rowlf? I think these comments are more a reflection of your own fears and prejudices than AB's. The Hand in Hand schools advocate working together, to get to know one another, to realise that demonising or killing one another is not the way to eliminate hatred.

Edited November 21 by c_cubed51

[Love All Nylon]

57 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

So your suggestion of bombing them to oblivion was simply a means of causing lots of collateral damage and victims. In effect, you were simply advocating terrorist reprisals.

Of course not - maybe I should have added 'in an ideal world' bomb the crap out of them without collateral damage.

[Alteredbhoy]

20 minutes ago, rowlf said:

But at no time can you acknowledge that, if you were in the position the Israelis are in, you would leave no stone unturned before you erased those animals from the face of the Earth. You're a shell of a man talking the talk. You are the one that enabled them to do what they did. And you feel no responsibility.

I don't enable or support terrorism, rowlf.

That's your projecting your character flaws onto others again. You're the one who sought to describe the terrorism of 6th January as a false flag operation. When that failed, you're the one who sought to minimise its effect. You're the one who denies responsibility for the effect of your thoughts and actions.

[rowlf]

20 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

On what factual basis do you make these assertions, rowlf? I think these comments are more a reflection of your own fears and prejudices than AB's. The Hand in Hand schools advocate working together, to get to know one another, to realise that demonising or killing one another is not the way to eliminate hatred.

If it's your perception that the possible killing of the citizens in Gaza is more important than the possible/probable killing of the citizens in Israel, why don't you just say it? I can clearly state my thoughts on this subject and tell you in no uncertain terms the reasons I think as I do.

And this is what it really comes down to. You should read Orwell's book. We're watching the screen version as we speak.

[rowlf]

11 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

I don't enable or support terrorism, rowlf.

That's your projecting your character flaws onto others again. You're the one who sought to describe the terrorism of 6th January as a false flag operation. When that failed, you're the one who sought to minimise its effect. You're the one who denies responsibility for the effect of your thoughts and actions.

Puddin' Head...

[c_cubed51]

16 minutes ago, rowlf said:

And this is what it really comes down to. You should read Orwell's book. We're watching the screen version as we speak.

I think you would be better off watching "Of Mice and Men". Or "To Kill a Mocking Bird".

Edited November 21 by c_cubed51

[rowlf]

57 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

I think you would be better off watching "Of Mice and Men". Or "To Kill a Mocking Bird".

Libs are specialists talking in platitudes of compassion with no substantiation.

[Alteredbhoy]

1 hour ago, rowlf said:

If it's your perception that the possible killing of the citizens in Gaza is more important than the possible/probable killing of the citizens in Israel, why don't you just say it? I can clearly state my thoughts on this subject and tell you in no uncertain terms the reasons I think as I do.

And this is what it really comes down to. You should read Orwell's book. We're watching the screen version as we speak.

I don't believe stopping the killing in one nation is more important than stopping it in another. Once again you are projecting your shortcomings on to me. You clearly believe that stopping the killings in Israel is of greater importance than stopping the killings in Gaza and the West Bank.

The fact that I think you are wrong, doesn't mean I have to take the opposite view you.

As for Orwell, he is one of my favourite authors. I have read many of his books several times.

[Alteredbhoy]

1 hour ago, rowlf said:

Puddin' Head...

And there we go with pointless and childish insults once his arguments have run out.

[Alteredbhoy]

11 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Libs are specialists talking in platitudes of compassion with no substantiation.

Do you know the meaning of the words you string together to form sentences? I suspect not.

[rowlf]

1 hour ago, Alteredbhoy said:

I don't believe stopping the killing in one nation is more important than stopping it in another. 

I believe you think too much of yourself.

[Alteredbhoy]

13 minutes ago, rowlf said:

I believe you think too much of yourself.

What shit is this?

I don't think killing one set of nationals in order to prevent deaths in another is more important than seeking to avoid deaths.

You clearly realise how stupid your initial comments to the contrary are, so resort to spouting nonsensical personal abuse again.

[rowlf]

16 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

As for Orwell, he is one of my favourite authors. I have read many of his books several times.

And after repeatedly reading these books, you still can't understand them? I'd give it up, old man...

[dappi]

6 minutes ago, rowlf said:

And after repeatedly reading these books, you still can't understand them? I'd give it up, old man...

Personal abuse ais all he has.

[Alteredbhoy]

46 minutes ago, rowlf said:

And after repeatedly reading these books, you still can't understand them? I'd give it up, old man...

You clearly don't understand Orwell's books. He was a Trotskyite Socialist and your lauding them as an explanation of today's woes is indicative of your ignorance of political philosophy, despite your willingness to pontificate on it endlessly.

[rowlf]

2 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You clearly don't understand Orwell's books. He was a Trotskyite Socialist and your lauding them as an explanation of today's woes is indicative of your ignorance of political philosophy, despite your willingness to pontificate on it endlessly.

As you clearly didn't have to work for a living.....bad back most likely. Or possibly a broken heart created by the world going around you in your lifetime. You had time to go to the Peoples meetings for indoctrination. I didn't. Nor would I go if I had the time.

[dappi]

2 hours ago, rowlf said:

As you clearly didn't have to work for a living.....bad back most likely. Or possibly a broken heart created by the world going around you in your lifetime. You had time to go to the Peoples meetings for indoctrination. I didn't. Nor would I go if I had the time.

Yet more tripe from the tripe meister.

[Alteredbhoy]

2 hours ago, rowlf said:

As you clearly didn't have to work for a living.....bad back most likely. Or possibly a broken heart created by the world going around you in your lifetime. You had time to go to the Peoples meetings for indoctrination. I didn't. Nor would I go if I had the time.

I'm still working for a living.

You are the one stating that we could all learn something from the books of a Trotskyite. I'm guessing you were unaware of Orwell's political tendencies before you made that statement and are now seeking to wriggle out of your apparent praise for Socialism.

Effectively, once again, you've been caught talking about something you know nothing about and are now trying to wriggle out of the contradiction of your words. And you do so by making stupid an inaccurate allegations about other posters.

Your dogma makes you look ridiculous.

[dappi]

2 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

I'm still working for a living.

You are the one stating that we could all learn something from the books of a Trotskyite. I'm guessing you were unaware of Orwell's political tendencies before you made that statement and are now seeking to wriggle out of your apparent praise for Socialism.

Effectively, once again, you've been caught talking about something you know nothing about and are now trying to wriggle out of the contradiction of your words. And you do so by making stupid an inaccurate allegations about other posters.

Your dogma makes you look ridiculous.

I hope his karma runs over his dogma.