Epigenetics and evolution

[c_cubed51]

Let's open up the discussion, shall we?

Epigenetics and evolution: ‘the significant biological puzzle’ of sexual orientation | Science | The Guardian

A taster, taken from the article:

"I cheerfully taught it in my first-year biology classes for more than two decades, in full knowledge that the story is more complex. For example, if an individual’s testosterone production is defective, a genetic male (based on their possession of a Y chromosome and SrY gene) will develop as a female. Indeed, such individuals may be hyper-female, since they do not produce or respond to testosterone, whereas genetic females do both.

"Even more extraordinary is a rare syndrome caused by a deficiency of the enzyme 5α-reductase. This enzyme converts testosterone to a more potent male-determining hormone. These kids, who are chromosomally male, are born with female-like genitalia and are often raised as girls. They then change to the male phenotype at puberty with its associated release of testosterone. Not only do male foetuses produce more androgens than female foetuses, they respond to it more strongly due to sex-specific epigenetic marks in genes that code for androgen receptors. Conversely, female foetuses produce less androgen and have reduced responsiveness to it. It is even possible for a genetically female foetus to have levels of circulating androgens in the male range but still develop as a female. So, while the primary cause of male bodies from female bodies is indeed SrY, other genes on the sex chromosomes can modify its effects."

[rowlf]

If a boy thinks he's a girl, why must you give him female hormones?

[c_cubed51]

50 minutes ago, rowlf said:

If a boy thinks he's a girl, why must you give him female hormones?

That is an excellent opening question, rowlf!

Have you read the whole article? That was just a taster. The answer to your question may lie therein.

An allied question is: Why should puberty blockers be administered?

This could develop into a decent thread!

Edited September 18 by c_cubed51

[matt2matt2002]

There are some things we know and some things we don't know. And some things we think we know but don't know. And some things we don't know but think we don't know.

I think this is the last one.

Personally speaking of course.

[rowlf]

There are known knowns, things we know that we know; and there are known unknowns, things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns, things we do not know we don't know. If we know anything, it is that weakness is provocative.

 

Rummy

[Alteredbhoy]

There was a report on Channel 4 News last night about a family whose 21 your child had committed suicide after unsuccessfully waiting five years for a first consultation for gender reassignment treatment.

The father, mother and sister of the deceased were all interviewed and all were in tears. The father was particularly bitter about people who want to reduce the arguments about transgender into whether they should be allowed to compete in sport, or which toilet they should use. He argued this trivialised the subject and meant that the important issues regarding how people with these conditions should be treated are ignored.

[rowlf]

6 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

There was a report on Channel 4 News last night about a family whose 21 your child had committed suicide after unsuccessfully waiting five years for a first consultation for gender reassignment treatment.

The father, mother and sister of the deceased were all interviewed and all were in tears. The father was particularly bitter about people who want to reduce the arguments about transgender into whether they should be allowed to compete in sport, or which toilet they should use. He argued this trivialised the subject and meant that the important issues regarding how people with these conditions should be treated are ignored.

Exactly! If the TG had only sought understanding and therapy, it would have been there for them. It is still there for them. But the powers that be knew this was not enough of an issue to divide the people. Ergo, they added the silly things such as sports competitions and pronouns and disgusting rallies. They knew that you and your ilk would gobble it up hook, line and sinker.

I'll say again. Our important issues on a national level should be the safety and success of our people as a whole. I suppose throughout history the weak have been overrun by the strong. But we don't have to assist the enemy in our demise.

 

[Alteredbhoy]

50 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Exactly! If the TG had only sought understanding and therapy, it would have been there for them. It is still there for them. But the powers that be knew this was not enough of an issue to divide the people. Ergo, they added the silly things such as sports competitions and pronouns and disgusting rallies. They knew that you and your ilk would gobble it up hook, line and sinker.

I'll say again. Our important issues on a national level should be the safety and success of our people as a whole. I suppose throughout history the weak have been overrun by the strong. But we don't have to assist the enemy in our demise.

 

You are unable read.

The relatives of the young person who committed suicide were distraught that all people want to talk about are the use of restrooms and pronouns or their ability to compete. And that is all you go on about, ad nauseam.

They were desperate that people talk about why gender reassignment treatment is so difficult to access. About how untreated, the condition can lead to mental illnesses which in their child's instance led to suicide at 21 years old. All the things you ignore.

Edited September 19 by Alteredbhoy

[rowlf]

15 hours ago, c_cubed51 said:

That is an excellent opening question, rowlf!

Have you read the whole article? That was just a taster. The answer to your question may lie therein.

An allied question is: Why should puberty blockers be administered?

This could develop into a decent thread!

🤣 Are you nuts?

The premise of this thread supports your ideology. Rather than read the entire article could you just tell us why children must be mutilated? When I was a kid I didn't know sh*t from shinola. Maybe I still don't.

Kids still don't know didly squat. The last several years one could extend this type of juvenile behavior til they're pushing 30 and beyond. Just because someone tells you it's true doesn't make it right. We currently live in a world that we can pick the things that will make us feel good and can be reinforced by 'facts'.

There is no way you will be able to convince me and just about all of the world's population that these premature treatments, other than counseling should be conducted on our youth. But counseling doesn't mean you can put ideas in their heads that weren't originally there. We currently live in a corrupt society. The proof of this is what we want to do to our children.

It's all political. Our leaders wouldn't even consider this being done to their own children. But they will readily use our youth as cannon fodder to further diminish our countries. And this is exactly what is being done.

[rowlf]

1 minute ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You are unable read.

The relatives of the young person who committed suicide were distraught that all people want to talk about are the use of restrooms and pronouns or their ability to compete. And that is all you go on about, ad nauseam.

They were desperate that people talk about why gender reassignment treatment is so difficult to access. About how untreated, the condition can lead to mental illnesses which in their child's instance led to suicide at 21 years old. All the things you ignore.

Well, I thought that was exactly what I said. Did not the LGBTQ+ community initiate this demand on the issues mentioned? Aren't they the very same ones that placed the spotlight on the rights of transwomen? Aren't they the ones that should be blamed?

Why couldn't the young man get adequate care from your healthcare system? He couldn't have been on the waiting list that long!

[Rikki]

The one I am familiar with is Swire syndrome, not sure if this is the same as described above, but babies are born looking female, clearly would have “female” on their birth certificate, then at puberty it becomes clear that they are in fact males. Wonder how they are going to get on when they are forced by proposed US legislation to only compete with others that have “female” on their birth certificate?

[Alteredbhoy]

41 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Well, I thought that was exactly what I said. Did not the LGBTQ+ community initiate this demand on the issues mentioned? Aren't they the very same ones that placed the spotlight on the rights of transwomen? Aren't they the ones that should be blamed?

Why couldn't the young man get adequate care from your healthcare system? He couldn't have been on the waiting list that long!

That's not my understanding. The LGBTQ community are not demanding fringe rights like the right to compete in professional sports. It is the transphobes who are seeking to ban them; stating they should use separate bathrooms, etc. These are trivial issues (which you keep raining) in order to avoid discussing the real discrimination they face.

As for the healthcare, you claim that every Tom, Dick and Harry can have this treatment at the drop of a hat. They can't. It's just another of your made up stories to justify your position.

[dappi]

1 hour ago, rowlf said:

 

But counseling doesn't mean you can put ideas in their heads that weren't originally there. 

It is such a shame how little you understand about many things.

Counselling would never, put ideas into anyone's head. The counsellor would only help people sort out the thoughts and feelings that are already there.

Any counsellor who does otherwise should be sent to Ohio.

[rowlf]

52 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

That's not my understanding. The LGBTQ community are not demanding fringe rights like the right to compete in professional sports. It is the transphobes who are seeking to ban them; stating they should use separate bathrooms, etc. These are trivial issues (which you keep raining) in order to avoid discussing the real discrimination they face.

As for the healthcare, you claim that every Tom, Dick and Harry can have this treatment at the drop of a hat. They can't. It's just another of your made up stories to justify your position.

Then who do you think is initiating these ideas? Take a guess.

It seems that 5 years is a very long time to be able to have a consultation with a counselor or therapist.

TBH, I thought these issues are what we thought were important. If not, then what are we arguing about? If you feel that acceptance by the population is the important thing, then, for the most part I would think they have that acceptance.

I only know one person very well that is a transwoman. I know her, and she could go to any women's restroom she felt like, and I wouldn't care one bit. But I trust her. But I will never trust those people out there that I don't know. Not because they're trans. Because I just don't know them. It's my opinion that with no doubt whatsoever you're opening up a private place for females to any man that will say anything to get inside.

I've been to restaurants and see men dressed as woman, makeup and all. They're just sitting there, on pins and needles nervous as all get out. Because I've been on this forum for so long, I'm fairly certain of what was going on. To a small degree I can feel their pain, as we've all been placed in awkward positions out of our typical surroundings. I ignore them. I think that is what they want. If I smiled it would be a curt smile, lest the person would think I was laughing at them.

In my limited experience I've never seen a transperson mocked or threatened.

So, am I just so damned ignorant that I can't see the forest for the trees? Or could it be the 'schrooms that I took this AM, that have addled me?

[Alteredbhoy]

You are truly stupid.

41 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Then who do you think is initiating these ideas? Take a guess.

It seems that 5 years is a very long time to be able to have a consultation with a counselor or therapist.

TBH, I thought these issues are what we thought were important. If not, then what are we arguing about? If you feel that acceptance by the population is the important thing, then, for the most part I would think they have that acceptance.

It's people like Tucker Carlson who put the ideas into the small minds of the bigoted, so they can raise it in discussions like these.

41 minutes ago, rowlf said:

I only know one person very well that is a transwoman. I know her, and she could go to any women's restroom she felt like, and I wouldn't care one bit. But I trust her. But I will never trust those people out there that I don't know. Not because they're trans. Because I just don't know them. It's my opinion that with no doubt whatsoever you're opening up a private place for females to any man that will say anything to get inside.

So you trust your trans friend to use the female restroom but you don't trust any person you don't know? Unless of course they are female. So your trust isn't about whether you know a person or not, but whether they are trans or not.

But you aren't transphobic. Oh no. You just don't trust them

You idiot.

[dappi]

36 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You are truly stupid.

It's people like Tucker Carlson who put the ideas into the small minds of the bigoted, so they can raise it in discussions like these.

So you trust your trans friend to use the female restroom but you don't trust any person you don't know? Unless of course they are female. So your trust isn't about whether you know a person or not, but whether they are trans or not.

But you aren't transphobic. Oh no. You just don't trust them

You idiot.

As I said earlier, someone (Rowlf) who thinks counsellors put thoughts into the minds of people isn't fit to be let out without a carer.

[rowlf]

1 hour ago, Alteredbhoy said:

So you trust your trans friend to use the female restroom but you don't trust any person you don't know? Unless of course they are female. So your trust isn't about whether you know a person or not, but whether they are trans or not.

But you aren't transphobic. Oh no. You just don't trust them

You idiot.

You're the fool. Don't you have intelligence to understand there may be others that would try to take advantage of the open pass that would be given to all people that claim to be transgender.

I believe a member that needs a muppet to help support him in these conversations could be assumed to be an idiot.

[Alteredbhoy]

1 hour ago, rowlf said:

You're the fool. Don't you have intelligence to understand there may be others that would try to take advantage of the open pass that would be given to all people that claim to be transgender.

I believe a member that needs a muppet to help support him in these conversations could be assumed to be an idiot.

I refer you back to the words of the family of Alice Litman. She was so traumatised by societies treatment of the transgendered and so ill as a consequence of her untreated gender dysphoria that she took her own life. The family plead that the condition be treated seriously, substantially more seriously than those who wish to address the trivia of pronouns, toilet use and sports participation.

And your response?

To mis gender her as a boy and to discuss toilet usage.

You are too blinkered to see what you did.

[rowlf]

16 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

I refer you back to the words of the family of Alice Litman. She was so traumatised by societies treatment of the transgendered and so ill as a consequence of her untreated gender dysphoria that she took her own life. The family plead that the condition be treated seriously, substantially more seriously than those who wish to address the trivia of pronouns, toilet use and sports participation.

And your response?

To mis gender her as a boy and to discuss toilet usage.

You are too blinkered to see what you did.

You know, a lot of people also die from extreme ignorance...

[dappi]

2 hours ago, rowlf said:

 

I believe a member that needs a muppet to help support him in these conversations could be assumed to be an idiot.

You said something unbelievably stupid about counselling. I corrected you so you call me names. You appear to be so childish and completely out of your depth intellectualy.

[c_cubed51]

6 hours ago, rowlf said:

🤣 Are you nuts?

The premise of this thread supports your ideology. Rather than read the entire article could you just tell us why children must be mutilated? When I was a kid I didn't know sh*t from shinola. Maybe I still don't.

Kids still don't know didly squat. The last several years one could extend this type of juvenile behavior til they're pushing 30 and beyond. Just because someone tells you it's true doesn't make it right. We currently live in a world that we can pick the things that will make us feel good and can be reinforced by 'facts'.

There is no way you will be able to convince me and just about all of the world's population that these premature treatments, other than counseling should be conducted on our youth. But counseling doesn't mean you can put ideas in their heads that weren't originally there. We currently live in a corrupt society. The proof of this is what we want to do to our children.

It's all political. Our leaders wouldn't even consider this being done to their own children. But they will readily use our youth as cannon fodder to further diminish our countries. And this is exactly what is being done.

I thought your opening question was a good one. Then you went and spoiled it by confirming once again that you cannot read and are not interested in learning anything. You are correct in stating that nothing will convince you that trans people do exist, through no fault of their own. And you are correct in thinking that the anti-trans agenda is a political ploy by politicians and Faux News to stir up the ignorant unwashed masses in the USA.

Another thread stuffed up by rowlf.

[c_cubed51]

4 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You are truly stupid.

That's it in a tractor seat, AB.

[c_cubed51]

6 hours ago, Rikki said:

The one I am familiar with is Swire syndrome, not sure if this is the same as described above, but babies are born looking female, clearly would have “female” on their birth certificate, then at puberty it becomes clear that they are in fact males. Wonder how they are going to get on when they are forced by proposed US legislation to only compete with others that have “female” on their birth certificate?

Thank you for this contribution, Rikki.

[c_cubed51]

5 hours ago, dappi said:

It is such a shame how little you understand about many things.

Counselling would never, put ideas into anyone's head. The counsellor would only help people sort out the thoughts and feelings that are already there.

Any counsellor who does otherwise should be sent to Ohio.

Agreed, dappi.

[rowlf]

1 hour ago, c_cubed51 said:

I thought your opening question was a good one. Then you went and spoiled it by confirming once again that you cannot read and are not interested in learning anything. You are correct in stating that nothing will convince you that trans people do exist, through no fault of their own. And you are correct in thinking that the anti-trans agenda is a political ploy by politicians and Faux News to stir up the ignorant unwashed masses in the USA.

Another thread stuffed up by rowlf.

If I am able to 'stuff up' a thread by what I said, it ain't much of a thread.

This what I wrote:

8 hours ago, rowlf said:

There is no way you will be able to convince me and just about all of the world's population that these premature treatments, other than counseling should be conducted on our youth. But counseling doesn't mean you can put ideas in their heads that weren't originally there.

Now tell me where I said that trans people don't exist? And whether or not you want to acknowledge it, any person can place thoughts in a person's. Especially a young person.

But you can't make your case unless you use harps and violins. With you and ab you say things that are ignorant and expect people to be dumb enough to believe what you say. Lately you've been lying more often.

And you never did answer why it's necessary to mutilate and drug the children.

 

[LoveShapelyLegs]

biology 101.  there are only two sexes.  male, and female.  these TWO pathways are launched as the fetus develops.  of course like anything else in nature, there are deviations, variances and mutations.  some male characteristics may not develop, or develop more so.  some female characteristics may not develop, or develop more so.  add to this ESSENTIAL BIOLOGY the further introduction of a personality in the born human -- a mind, feelings, and thoughts.  these mental functions may grasp onto the biological profile and steer the child more masculine, or feminine.  and when this child reaches the age of reason, concepts of identity and homosexuality are introduced.  

in other words, the biology is irrefutable.  the MENTAL add-on is what makes the person FEEL they may be something else.   

therefore, the deviation of male and female, call it trans or non-binary, or gay, is the manifestation of a mental condition.  

this is why trans men are not women, and never can be.  

the person who started this thread is trying to obfuscate biology with complex scientific minutia, hoping to rationalise being trans as normal.  it's not.  can never be.  

by the way ...it's funny how all this trans fascination almost always involves MEN who want to compete in women's sports, use women's bathrooms, and promote drag story hour.  you never see WOMEN wanting to play in the NFL, or use men's toilets, or want shows to parade around looking masculine.  

as more and more leading gay men are saying -- these trumped up trans men do a disservice to being a gay man.  they are really MEN with homosexual tendencies, and cannot live among testosterone driven men in a competitive world, so they built this soft facade of acting like women to cover up their MENTAL ILLNESS poor development as MEN.  

 

[c_cubed51]

1 hour ago, LoveShapelyLegs said:

biology 101.  there are only two sexes.  male, and female.  these TWO pathways are launched as the fetus develops.  of course like anything else in nature, there are deviations, variances and mutations.  some male characteristics may not develop, or develop more so.  some female characteristics may not develop, or develop more so.  add to this ESSENTIAL BIOLOGY the further introduction of a personality in the born human -- a mind, feelings, and thoughts.  these mental functions may grasp onto the biological profile and steer the child more masculine, or feminine.  and when this child reaches the age of reason, concepts of identity and homosexuality are introduced.  

in other words, the biology is irrefutable.  the MENTAL add-on is what makes the person FEEL they may be something else.   

therefore, the deviation of male and female, call it trans or non-binary, or gay, is the manifestation of a mental condition.  

this is why trans men are not women, and never can be.  

the person who started this thread is trying to obfuscate biology with complex scientific minutia, hoping to rationalise being trans as normal.  it's not.  can never be.  

by the way ...it's funny how all this trans fascination almost always involves MEN who want to compete in women's sports, use women's bathrooms, and promote drag story hour.  you never see WOMEN wanting to play in the NFL, or use men's toilets, or want shows to parade around looking masculine.  

as more and more leading gay men are saying -- these trumped up trans men do a disservice to being a gay man.  they are really MEN with homosexual tendencies, and cannot live among testosterone driven men in a competitive world, so they built this soft facade of acting like women to cover up their MENTAL ILLNESS poor development as MEN.  

 

Theology 101. The Creator God made a perfect world. Amongst other things, gestation would have proceeded perfectly. The story of Adam and Eve describes how mankind made a choice to ignore God's rules and in so doing placed itself above God. The result was an imperfect world. One manifestation of this was that things started to go wrong during gestation. The deviations from male vs female described in the article are scientific biological explanations of such deviations. They are physical and chemical.

Even humanity's mental state of being was adversely affected during Eve's temptation and Adam's compliance. Lies and deception are just two results. Hence the book of Leviticus.

Stuff like cancers develop and there are good biological reasons why this happens. Indeed, my good friend who has spent his life doing cancer research tells me that during the initial stages of cancer development, the rogue cells look like foetal cells and he and his team are learning a lot by studying foetal cells and the possible reasons they do not always develop the way they ought to, which they hope will provide clues about how to treat these early cells chemically, rather than with invasive radiation.

Biology 101: There are three sexes in our imperfect world. Male - Female - Intersex.

Even Jesus was aware of this. See Matthew 19:12. "For there are eunuchs who were born that way ...".

During his time here on earth, he went about healing people of both their physical and mental deficiencies. He accepted them as they were, and made their lives more tolerable through his affirmation of them as fellow-suffers.

Trans people form a very small minority of the human population and you do them and Christianity and humanity as a whole a grave disservice by asserting that they are "not normal" and writing such bigoted drivel. Unlike Jesus, who came to make their life's burdens easier to bear, you seek to make them even heavier and uncomfortable to carry.

 

Edited September 20 by c_cubed51

[c_cubed51]

1 hour ago, rowlf said:

If I am able to 'stuff up' a thread by what I said, it ain't much of a thread.

This what I wrote:

Now tell me where I said that trans people don't exist? And whether or not you want to acknowledge it, any person can place thoughts in a person's. Especially a young person.

But you can't make your case unless you use harps and violins. With you and ab you say things that are ignorant and expect people to be dumb enough to believe what you say. Lately you've been lying more often.

And you never did answer why it's necessary to mutilate and drug the children.

 

Trans people DO exist, through no fault of their own. At least you are one step ahead of LSL. Yet you share with LSL a prejudice about these persons by failing to recognize that they are also human beings who deserve the same rights and privileges as you and me. They do not deserve to be vilified and attacked by any of us. As a teacher, my job is to assist every young person to feel that they are worthy! Not make them feel unworthy or that their lives are too miserable to carry on. Not to feed them bigotry and hatred, such as you do.

Does the article explain why it might be beneficial (or otherwise) to use puberty blockers or female hormones? A good teacher does not spoon feed the learner. They only put the learning material in front of the class and provide the opportunity to feed from the trough of knowledge. To learn or not is a choice.

Feel free to use the information provided by the authors of the article to argue your case. Please try to avoid cliched arguments. This invitation is open to all who read this thread.

[rowlf]

4 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

Trans people DO exist, through no fault of their own. At least you are one step ahead of LSL. Yet you share with LSL a prejudice about these persons by failing to recognize that they are also human beings who deserve the same rights and privileges as you and me. They do not deserve to be vilified and attacked by any of us. As a teacher, my job is to assist every young person to feel that they are worthy! Not make them feel unworthy or that their lives are too miserable to carry on. Not to feed them bigotry and hatred, such as you do.

Does the article explain why it might be beneficial (or otherwise) to use puberty blockers or female hormones? A good teacher does not spoon feed the learner. They only put the learning material in front of the class and provide the opportunity to feed from the trough of knowledge. To learn or not is a choice.

Feel free to use the information provided by the authors of the article to argue your case. Please try to avoid cliched arguments. This invitation is open to all who read this thread.

No one on here doubts the plight of the transpeople. It's what the media tries to shove down our throats that is the issue. You and ab mumble and move this way and that way, not really saying anything. Ab said the transgender people did not initiate:

1)bisexual terlets and locker rooms

2) men competing against women

3) The use of silly pronouns

So, that leaves one more thing that I can remember.

4) does the transgender person thinks mutilation is the proper course of action to take on a child?

And if you can't or won't reply I'll leave you alone on this issue.

[Rikki]

Best ask Rabbis and Imams about mutilation of children Rowlf.

[Alteredbhoy]

8 hours ago, rowlf said:

And if you can't or won't reply I'll leave you alone on this issue.

That will be such a relief.

[LoveShapelyLegs]

9 hours ago, c_cubed51 said:

Theology 101. The Creator God made a perfect world. Amongst other things, gestation would have proceeded perfectly. The story of Adam and Eve describes how mankind made a choice to ignore God's rules and in so doing placed itself above God. The result was an imperfect world. One manifestation of this was that things started to go wrong during gestation. The deviations from male vs female described in the article are scientific biological explanations of such deviations. They are physical and chemical.

Even humanity's mental state of being was adversely affected during Eve's temptation and Adam's compliance. Lies and deception are just two results. Hence the book of Leviticus.

Stuff like cancers develop and there are good biological reasons why this happens. Indeed, my good friend who has spent his life doing cancer research tells me that during the initial stages of cancer development, the rogue cells look like foetal cells and he and his team are learning a lot by studying foetal cells and the possible reasons they do not always develop the way they ought to, which they hope will provide clues about how to treat these early cells chemically, rather than with invasive radiation.

Biology 101: There are three sexes in our imperfect world. Male - Female - Intersex.

Even Jesus was aware of this. See Matthew 19:12. "For there are eunuchs who were born that way ...".

During his time here on earth, he went about healing people of both their physical and mental deficiencies. He accepted them as they were, and made their lives more tolerable through his affirmation of them as fellow-suffers.

Trans people form a very small minority of the human population and you do them and Christianity and humanity as a whole a grave disservice by asserting that they are "not normal" and writing such bigoted drivel. Unlike Jesus, who came to make their life's burdens easier to bear, you seek to make them even heavier and uncomfortable to carry.

 

normal means variance from the norm.  deviation means a variance from the norm.  in this context, normal does not mean abnormal, and deviation does not mean deviant.  you need to distinguish from empirical definition and ones which apply judgments.   the problem in social media today is people take one word, if they read context at all, and then argue endlessly.  

and thanks for the theology lesson.  as you know, people have been INTERPRETING the bible for centuries to fit their narrative or desires, and using god's word has been the basis for causing the most murders in the history of mankind.  

furthermore, no one is born a eunuch.   making "men" eunuchs was one way those in power curbed men the deemed lesser, a threat, or needed as slaves.  

 

[rowlf]

3 hours ago, LoveShapelyLegs said:

 

furthermore, no one is born a eunuch.   making "men" eunuchs was one way those in power curbed men the deemed lesser, a threat, or needed as slaves.  

 

In our current society, it's a much more civilized approach. The media serenades 'men' into impotence.

[rowlf]

3 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

That will be such a relief.

Idiot!

[rowlf]

7 hours ago, Rikki said:

Best ask Rabbis and Imams about mutilation of children Rowlf.

And?

[Alteredbhoy]

34 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Idiot!

You promised not to respond if we failed to answer your question. Nobody has answered, so you resort to abuse.

Rude and dishonest, I would say.

[rowlf]

Just now, Alteredbhoy said:

You promised not to respond if we failed to answer your question. Nobody has answered, so you resort to abuse.

Rude and dishonest, I would say.

We? You libs just can't go it alone, can you? You just gotsta be always carrying a little mouse in your pocket!

[rowlf]

4 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You promised not to respond if we failed to answer your question. Nobody has answered, so you resort to abuse.

Rude and dishonest, I would say.

Idiot!

[Alteredbhoy]

22 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Idiot!

Rude and abusive sums you up. Dishonest too.

[dappi]

3 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Rude and abusive sums you up. Dishonest too.

Are just a few of the negative words justifiably used to describe rowlfs antisocial posts.

They also highlight his lack of knowledge and understanding.