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43 minutes ago, rowlf said:

So, if an orificer is heard someone calling another a 'fruitcake', then more than likely charges will be brought against the perp.

Don't be so childish. What offence has been committed by anybody calling somebody else a fruitcake?

You are simply trying to distract away from your clear use of racial slurs by asking stupid and pointless questions.

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1 hour ago, Ursula Harrison said:

So what beats me is how you put up with a sanctimonious plaster saint like Cubed.

I think that what baffles me, is the inconsistency of your values, Ursula.

You say mean, nasty and horrible things about Ms Wadwha, under the guise of claiming the right to freedom of speech, whilst simultaneously attacking her right to hold a position of care for which she seems eminently suited, and siding with those who have forced her to put locks on the doors of her place of work, which is a place of refuge for so many vulnerable people. You decry the people who attack Posey Parker yet say nothing against those who attack members of the LGBTQ+ community.

You go on and on about Tavistock, which has now closed, whilst turning a blind eye to the two new centres which were due to open in the Spring of 2023. Have they? How are they faring, in your view? Any improvement in the areas of child care you correctly are concerned about?

You are a member of the Butterfly Club, yet fail to support the LGBTQ+ community and argue with a member of the police force who gives you good advice about how to keep safe on the streets and look after one another, because you realise that your freedom of speech attitude is at odds with what has been suggested you do, which is report every incidence of anti-LGBTQ+ behaviour. 

You are an enigma. 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Don't be so childish. What offence has been committed by anybody calling somebody else a fruitcake?

You are simply trying to distract away from your clear use of racial slurs by asking stupid and pointless questions.

I thought you were the one calling the word 'hate speech'. After you and your ilk get through diminishing the English lexicon, there will only be a few dozen left. And those remaining words will most likely be Chinese.

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3 minutes ago, rowlf said:

I thought you were the one calling the word 'hate speech'. After you and your ilk get through diminishing the English lexicon, there will only be a few dozen left. And those remaining words will most likely be Chinese.

Your racial slurs are hate speech. You asked whether referring to someone as a fruitcake could be deemed as hate speech. I said I thought not.

But you have to keep saying nonsense to distract from your unpleasant habit of using hateful racial slurs.

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24 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

You say mean, nasty and horrible things about Ms Wadwha

Like what f'rinstance?

27 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

a member of the police force who gives you good advice about how to keep safe on the streets and look after one another

There you go again making things up to support your position. She gave us no advice at all about personal safety. Instead her talk was one long justification of her sitting on her fat arse in a comfortable police station instead of going out in the rain and tackling crime.

31 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

report every incidence of anti-LGBTQ+ behaviour

She wanted us to report every instance of somebody saying something we didn't like. I was brought up to believe the mantra "sticks and stones..."

33 minutes ago, c_cubed51 said:

You decry the people who attack Posey Parker yet say nothing against those who attack members of the LGBTQ+ community.

I condemn all violence other than that perpetrated in self defence. Words are not violence. So as far as those verbally attacking me are concerned I may disagree with what they say but I defend to the death their right to say it.

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51 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Your racial slurs are hate speech. You asked whether referring to someone as a fruitcake could be deemed as hate speech. I said I thought not.

But you have to keep saying nonsense to distract from your unpleasant habit of using hateful racial slurs.

Now let's get this straight. You're the one that promotes child mutilation, men competing against women, and not giving a shit about a woman's privacy. I'm not even going to mention pronoun usage.

But I'm the hateful SOB that uses words that neither one of us knows whether or not are racial slurs.

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34 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Now let's get this straight. You're the one that promotes child mutilation, men competing against women, and not giving a shit about a woman's privacy. I'm not even going to mention pronoun usage.

But I'm the hateful SOB that uses words that neither one of us knows whether or not are racial slurs.

I've never promoted the mutilation of children, just their getting the medical treatment they require. I don't give two hoots about gender and sports. It's an entirely trivial subject that you keep bringing up. As for privacy, I promote it for everyone. I don't see that cis-women need or are entitled to a greater degree of privacy than anyone else.

What I don't agree with is discriminating against groups of people on entirely irrelevant and prejudicial grounds. Your suggestion that transgendered women should receive less security and privacy than cis-women is such a case.

And refering to a person by a nickname that you have derived from their ethnic origin is most definitely a racial slur. Only a total idiot with no sense of what constitutes racism, or an out and out racist would suggest otherwise.

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44 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Now let's get this straight. You're the one that promotes child mutilation, men competing against women, and not giving a shit about a woman's privacy. I'm not even going to mention pronoun usage.

But I'm the hateful SOB that uses words that neither one of us knows whether or not are racial slurs.

So we have got to the point where the "mutilation of children"refers to breast surgery of under 18 year old girls. Good. Progress.

Again Perplexity is our friend:
"There are no official statistics on how many girls underwent gender confirming top surgery in the USA last year3. However, according to a survey conducted by The New York Times, eleven leading pediatric gender clinics across the country carried out a total of 203 procedures on minors in 2021, and many reported long waiting lists3. It is important to note that adolescent top surgeries were less frequent than cosmetic breast procedures performed on teenagers who were not transgender3."

203. Read that again.

One wonders where Rowlf and Ursula sit in regard to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of teenage girls who "mutilate their bodies " with cosmetic breast augmentation surgery. Again Perplexity to the rescue:

"Breast augmentation is a popular cosmetic surgery procedure among women in the USA. According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), there were 193,073 breast augmentation surgeries in America in 2020
3. In 2019, 287,085 breast augmentation procedures were performed in the USA3. The most performed surgical cosmetic procedures on women in the United States in 2022 were breast augmentation, with 252,648 procedures
2."

The mutilation of tits must stop !

Transgender kids aren't the problem, it's those cis gender kids who aren't happy in the skin they are in and are hell bent on transforming their bodies into something that God didn't want for them. Looking forward to how you reconcile all this with your anti-trans bullshit.


 

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54 minutes ago, Sarah_Connor said:

So we have got to the point where the "mutilation of children"refers to breast surgery of under 18 year old girls. Good. Progress.

Again Perplexity is our friend:
"There are no official statistics on how many girls underwent gender confirming top surgery in the USA last year3. However, according to a survey conducted by The New York Times, eleven leading pediatric gender clinics across the country carried out a total of 203 procedures on minors in 2021, and many reported long waiting lists3. It is important to note that adolescent top surgeries were less frequent than cosmetic breast procedures performed on teenagers who were not transgender3."

203. Read that again.

One wonders where Rowlf and Ursula sit in regard to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of teenage girls who "mutilate their bodies " with cosmetic breast augmentation surgery. Again Perplexity to the rescue:

"Breast augmentation is a popular cosmetic surgery procedure among women in the USA. According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), there were 193,073 breast augmentation surgeries in America in 2020
3. In 2019, 287,085 breast augmentation procedures were performed in the USA3. The most performed surgical cosmetic procedures on women in the United States in 2022 were breast augmentation, with 252,648 procedures
2."

The mutilation of tits must stop !


Transgender kids aren't the problem, it's those cis gender kids who aren't happy in the skin they are in and are hell bent on transforming their bodies into something that God didn't want for them. Looking forward to how you reconcile all this with your anti-trans bullshit.

Perplexity ai. Hmm... I wonder where they get their info from? I suppose it could be gotten from the media. I suppose there also might be algorithms that will steer you in a certain direction..... and disregard others.

And that's what makes you fat and happy.

As much as you would like to do so, you will never make logical decisions w/o using your brain. Well, maybe not your brain as it hasn't much mileage on it. Maybe find an intelligent and experienced brain in your area of operations. No, it couldn't be the brain of alteredbhoy. He provides none of the prerequisites.

So, unless you find someone having these capabilities, then you may very well be SOL.

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1 hour ago, Sarah_Connor said:

"Beast augmentation is a popular cosmetic surgery procedure among women in the USA. According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS), there were 193,073 breast augmentation surgeries in America in 2020

3. In 2019, 287,085 breast augmentation procedures were performed in the USA3. The most performed surgical cosmetic procedures on women in the United States in 2022 were breast augmentation, with 252,648 procedures
2."

The mutilation of tits must stop !
 

I agree, Penny. Too many cis women end up unhappy with the surgery, especially when it goes wrong and their boobs start leaking.

Stop all such surgeries, because of this, I demand!!!!

I don't give a rat's arse about the many cis women who end up delighted with the results!

(Sarcasm, rowlf!)

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1 hour ago, Alteredbhoy said:

I've never promoted the mutilation of children, just their getting the medical treatment they require. I don't give two hoots about gender and sports. It's an entirely trivial subject that you keep bringing up. As for privacy, I promote it for everyone. I don't see that cis-women need or are entitled to a greater degree of privacy than anyone else.

What I don't agree with is discriminating against groups of people on entirely irrelevant and prejudicial grounds. Your suggestion that transgendered women should receive less security and privacy than cis-women is such a case.

And refering to a person by a nickname that you have derived from their ethnic origin is most definitely a racial slur. Only a total idiot with no sense of what constitutes racism, or an out and out racist would suggest otherwise.

You've never promoted the mutilation of children, just their getting the medical treatment they require? Once again, that's a chicken-shit way of saying nothing.

Possibly the person thinking they know what constitutes racism is the 'total idiot'.

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2 hours ago, Sarah_Connor said:

Well maybe because they're nice and consider their arguments and don't say stupid shit about trans people and don't quote fucking Jordan Peterson.

 

Hello Penelope, nice to see you, you're on here early today.

Do have a pleasant afternoon. Be seeing you!

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1 hour ago, rowlf said:

Perplexity ai. Hmm... I wonder where they get their info from? I suppose it could be gotten from the media. I suppose there also might be algorithms that will steer you in a certain direction..... and disregard others.

And that's what makes you fat and happy.

As much as you would like to do so, you will never make logical decisions w/o using your brain. Well, maybe not your brain as it hasn't much mileage on it. Maybe find an intelligent and experienced brain in your area of operations. No, it couldn't be the brain of alteredbhoy. He provides none of the prerequisites.

So, unless you find someone having these capabilities, then you may very well be SOL.

Did you see that when I quote Perplexity AI it gives it's references. You can then use your brains and go look at those references. Or in your case you can go to youtube and see what Joe Rogan thinks. 

 

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7 hours ago, rowlf said:

You've never promoted the mutilation of children, just their getting the medical treatment they require? Once again, that's a chicken-shit way of saying nothing.

Possibly the person thinking they know what constitutes racism is the 'total idiot'.

So nothing to say rowlf?

It's absolutely transparently clear to just about everyone that it is racist to call a person a nickname based upon their ethnic origin. It is only unclear to idiots and racists.

You can choose which category fits you, but denial, or projecting yourself onto others doesn't alter anything.

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6 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

So nothing to say rowlf?

It's absolutely transparently clear to just about everyone that it is racist to call a person a nickname based upon their ethnic origin. It is only unclear to idiots and racists.

You can choose which category fits you, but denial, or projecting yourself onto others doesn't alter anything.

I have a lot to say, you just can't listen. I'm not a racist, you are. You keep quiet about Sunak Rishi's alleged corruption while serving as PM. You sure as hell didn't hold back on Boris or the other whiteys. Just a coincidence, huh? You are unable to defend any of the loopy issues you agree with. Other than I'm a racist. That thought process is similar to a child's.

 Our culture has spent ~50+ years proclaiming equality for the black man, but at the same time keeping them on welfare. We are told that we should not see the color of a man but judge them on who they are.

I suspect you read the link I posted about a Joe Rogan interview with Bill Mahr concerning the 'woke' people. You know who Bill Mahr is, don't you? The 'alt right' comedian that stated that the US was the cowardly ones instead of the 9/11 hijackers.

Well, he compared the 'woke' people to KKK. But you're not woke either, are you? You're just a good Samaritan that blames racism on those that disagree with you.

As pure as the new fallen snow, aren't you.

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13 hours ago, Sarah_Connor said:

Did you see that when I quote Perplexity AI it gives it's references. You can then use your brains and go look at those references. Or in your case you can go to youtube and see what Joe Rogan thinks. 

 

Ok, references... Similar to a link I occasionally post that is ignored because it was originated by Fox News? You're very much like nutty ab.

You both are enigmas of tranquility. 🙊🙉🙈

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16 minutes ago, rowlf said:

I have a lot to say, you just can't listen. I'm not a racist, you are. You keep quiet about Sunak Rishi's alleged corruption while serving as PM. You sure as hell didn't hold back on Boris or the other whiteys. 

You think Sunak is corrupt? On what basis?

I think he's weak, incompetent and misguided. But he doesn't need to be corrupt. He is considerably wealthier than Trump and it isn't leveraged on debt.

He's already lost the next General Election.

His flagship policy, inherited from Johnson and nursed by Priti Patel and Suella Braverman was the deportation of asylum seekers to Rwanda. That's a wicked and evil piece of legislation, hatched and delivered by the children of migrants.

The difference between him and Johnson is that he appears considerably less dishonest. And between him and Truss is that he doesn't come across and a teenager totally out of her depth.

He is the spawn of 13 years of Conservative rule. It's hard to think of a better argument for abortion. But he is the least worst of the last three Prime Ministers.

What do you want me to do? Pretend he's as bad as people who are worse simply to prove to you that his ethnicity isn't a factor?

He's a worse PM than Theresa May was in my view, but better than Cameron, Johnson and Truss. I won't be voting for him.

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32 minutes ago, rowlf said:

I have a lot to say, you just can't listen. I'm not a racist, you are.

You are unable to defend any of the loopy issues you agree with. Other than I'm a racist. That thought process is similar to a child's.

No.

I conclude that you are a racist because you use racial language and slurs. That is the giveaway. The only way to tell whether a person is a racist or not is through their behaviour.

You claim that my criticising Sunak less than I criticised Johnson is proof of my being a racist. It isn't. I'm significantly more critical of Priti Patel and Suella Braverman, what does that show you?

You were more critical of Obama than of Trump. What does that tell you? 

All this tells me is that like Liberalism, Socialism and Communism, you don't understand the meaning of the word racism and use it simply as a term of abuse.

But your use of racial epithets is racist behaviour.

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29 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Ok, references... Similar to a link I occasionally post that is ignored because it was originated by Fox News? You're very much like nutty ab.

You both are enigmas of tranquility. 🙊🙉🙈

Why would anyone believe anything from a "news source" that has been shown to lie in order to keep its partisan viewers tuned in? It has no credibility.

I don't doubt that it sometimes reports the truth. But I can't be bothered to sift through the bs to find it.

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16 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Why would anyone believe anything from a "news source" that has been shown to lie in order to keep its partisan viewers tuned in? It has no credibility.

I don't doubt that it sometimes reports the truth. But I can't be bothered to sift through the bs to find it.

Then you miss out on one half of the news. This makes you ill informed.

Are you credible?

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8 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Then you miss out on one half of the news. This makes you ill informed.

Are you credible?

That is so funny.

Did you see Tucker Carlson interviewing a man on X who claimed that Obama was a homosexual crack addict?

It isn't news. It's fiction. And if you believe it is news then it makes you incredibly stupid.

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46 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

That is so funny.

Did you see Tucker Carlson interviewing a man on X who claimed that Obama was a homosexual crack addict?

It isn't news. It's fiction. And if you believe it is news then it makes you incredibly stupid.

One thing, that's not Fox News. Another thing is how the hell do you know it's not true? If it was the prevailing news in the MSM you would sure as hell believe it. I didn't watch this. But I had heard about it. However, Obama's entire life has been shrouded in secrecy, so I wouldn't discount much that is said about him. You do know about the letters he wrote his girlfriend about 'everyday imaging having sex with a man'. That's not verbatim, but you get the idea. In all fairness, he did write that he had never consummated this desire. But what do you think? And this same hypocrite smoked for years and still hides the fact.

And you act as though if it's true that's a bad thing. What about the high and mighty ideals you claim to bestow on the LBGTQ+ community? As I've always known, I have the higher social justice standards than do you. And my views are not based on my dependency on the welfare system.

And you can't think of anything more creative or informing, than the calling of names.

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10 minutes ago, rowlf said:

One thing, that's not Fox News. Another thing is how the hell do you know it's not true? If it was the prevailing news in the MSM you would sure as hell believe it. I didn't watch this. But I had heard about it. However, Obama's entire life has been shrouded in secrecy, so I wouldn't discount much that is said about him. You do know about the letters he wrote his girlfriend about 'everyday imaging having sex with a man'. That's not verbatim, but you get the idea. In all fairness, he did write that he had never consummated this desire. But what do you think? And this same hypocrite smoked for years and still hides the fact.

And you act as though if it's true that's a bad thing. What about the high and mighty ideals you claim to bestow on the LBGTQ+ community? As I've always known, I have the higher social justice standards than do you. And my views are not based on my dependency on the welfare system.

And you can't think of anything more creative or informing, than the calling of names.

Oh please stop it, my sides are hurting with laughter.

If it appeared on what you call MSM, but is in fact "reputable news sources", it would imply that it had been fact checked and was not just red meat thrown to the red necks to make them angry.

I didn't comment on whether smoking crack or being homosexual is right or wrong. Just in this instance it isn't true. But why do you think the MotherTucker reported it? Because he knows that his audience (which includes you) thinks it is wrong. Why else did you report Paul Pelosi having in your considered view hiring and kidnapping a male escort?

Once again you try to project your own inadequacies onto other people.

When something is reported on a news source that lacks any credibility, your approach (especially if it is against the reputation of anyone half an inch to the left of you) is to believe it, until it is shown to be untrue.  That shows a level of gullibility and is why you post such utter nonsense, like Obama being complicit in the murder of his chef. Or Paul Pelosi ... Or Joe Biden sexually abusing his daughter.

You seem to have no common sense filter.

And you complain about the intelligence of youngsters 

You are so funny.

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7 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Oh please stop it, my sides are hurting with laughter.

If it appeared on what you call MSM, but is in fact "reputable news sources", it would imply that it had been fact checked and was not just red meat thrown to the red necks to make them angry.

I didn't comment on whether smoking crack or being homosexual is right or wrong. Just in this instance it isn't true. But why do you think the MotherTucker reported it? Because he knows that his audience (which includes you) thinks it is wrong. Why else did you report Paul Pelosi having in your considered view hiring and kidnapping a male escort?

Once again you try to project your own inadequacies onto other people.

When something is reported on a news source that lacks any credibility, your approach (especially if it is against the reputation of anyone half an inch to the left of you) is to believe it, until it is shown to be untrue.  That shows a level of gullibility and is why you post such utter nonsense, like Obama being complicit in the murder of his chef. Or Paul Pelosi ... Or Joe Biden sexually abusing his daughter.

You seem to have no common sense filter.

And you complain about the intelligence of youngsters 

You are so funny.

Once again, I am the one being critiqued to cover up your own ignorance.

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Ab, this is what you mentioned in a previous post. Decide for yourselves if you want to. I haven't watched it so I have no opinion. But, as I've stated before, he has always been shrouded in secrecy. 

The thing that bites my butt is that so many people on here tend to put up a facade on who they are, how they feel about things. However, when confronted with differences of opinions, another side is revealed.

I don't like Obama. Not because he's black. Because I consider him to be dishonest. And I still believe he gave the orders to have his chef drowned!🙄 Or had Michael do it!🤣

 

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59 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Ab, this is what you mentioned in a previous post. Decide for yourselves if you want to. I haven't watched it so I have no opinion. But, as I've stated before, he has always been shrouded in secrecy. 

The thing that bites my butt is that so many people on here tend to put up a facade on who they are, how they feel about things. However, when confronted with differences of opinions, another side is revealed.

I don't like Obama. Not because he's black. Because I consider him to be dishonest. And I still believe he gave the orders to have his chef drowned!🙄 Or had Michael do it!🤣

Ah yes, words from the widely acknowledged liar Tucker Carlson.

 

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1 hour ago, rowlf said:

Ab, this is what you mentioned in a previous post. Decide for yourselves if you want to. I haven't watched it so I have no opinion. But, as I've stated before, he has always been shrouded in secrecy. 

The thing that bites my butt is that so many people on here tend to put up a facade on who they are, how they feel about things. However, when confronted with differences of opinions, another side is revealed.

I don't like Obama. Not because he's black. Because I consider him to be dishonest. And I still believe he gave the orders to have his chef drowned!🙄 Or had Michael do it!🤣

 

Oops, they are still words from the widely acknowledged liar Tucker Carlson.

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1 hour ago, rowlf said:

I don't like Obama. Not because he's black. Because I consider him to be dishonest. And I still believe he gave the orders to have his chef drowned!🙄 Or had Michael do it!

Of course you adopt a hilariously ridiculous position.

You don't like Obama because you consider him to be dishonest. And therefore despite there being no evidence to support your view, you consider him complicit in the death of his chef.

That is conspiratorial nonsense.

But there is plenty of evidence that Trump is dishonest. On top of which a Court has adjudged that he is a sexual predator. But you don't care about that. Just the unsubstantiated allegations against Obama.

As I said before. You have no common sense filter. You believe things for which there is no evidence because it fits with your prejudices. You ignore evidence which is inconvenient in order to maintain your ridiculous and prejudicial views.

And then you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being brainwashed.

America has major problems, caused in the main by misinformation, quite possibly fomented by foreign nations like Russia and China. You appear to part of the problem. You are a useful idiot for those foreign powers.

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19 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Of course you adopt a hilariously ridiculous position.

You don't like Obama because you consider him to be dishonest. And therefore despite there being no evidence to support your view, you consider him complicit in the death of his chef.

That is conspiratorial nonsense.

But there is plenty of evidence that Trump is dishonest. On top of which a Court has adjudged that he is a sexual predator. But you don't care about that. Just the unsubstantiated allegations against Obama.

As I said before. You have no common sense filter. You believe things for which there is no evidence because it fits with your prejudices. You ignore evidence which is inconvenient in order to maintain your ridiculous and prejudicial views.

And then you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being brainwashed.

America has major problems, caused in the main by misinformation, quite possibly fomented by foreign nations like Russia and China. You appear to part of the problem. You are a useful idiot for those foreign powers.

The interview wasn't about me.

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