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When is a sport not a sport?

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I recently watched a quiz program where one of the celebrity contestants was adamant Formula 1 motor racing was NOT a sport. 

This got me thinking when is a sport not a sport? Track and field are obviously sporting activities, tennis, rugby, football (soccer) must be sports. American football is perhaps a physical version of chess being as it’s a strategy game. Is chess a sport? 

What of snooker, pool, darts are they sports? Perhaps the test for an activity is how many people want to watch it and how much prize money is up for grabs, rather than the typical sporting heritage associated with the more traditional track and field events. 

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Sport (British English) or sports (American English) includes all forms of competitive physical activity or games which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and skills while providing enjoyment to participants, and in some cases, entertainment for spectators.

The question may be, 'What is physical'?

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What indeed!!! F1 motorsport or other driving sports aren’t very physical these days but by and large a lot of money is involved hense the sports channels stream them. Often pay per view, therefore it must be a sport and if not a sport how would it be better described? 

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54 minutes ago, Blott said:

What indeed!!! F1 motorsport or other driving sports aren’t very physical these days but by and large a lot of money is involved hense the sports channels stream them. Often pay per view, therefore it must be a sport and if not a sport how would it be better described? 

Well, iffn one ends up in a 'hairy crack-up, I would consider that on the 'physical' side.

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Hmm..... which brings to mind 'sporting' ladies.

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1 hour ago, stockingsadmirer68 said:

My favourite sport is five a side mixed sunbathing :58674be18a3d6_EmojiSmiley-07:

Does that mean you and your buddies head to toe?

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5 hours ago, Blott said:

I recently watched a quiz program where one of the celebrity contestants was adamant Formula 1 motor racing was NOT a sport. 

You know, I re-read this, and I wondered what in the hell these celebrities know.

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3 hours ago, jimmy too said:

I prefer shooting fish in a barrel.

Like identifying the returning, previously banned members who can’t behave appropriately - ring any bells with you? :58674da5aabbd_EmojiOrte-36: :58674c057baa4_EmojiSmiley-69:

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In my view a sport has to have several requisites. 

It must be competitive, requiring physical skill and effort and an objective method of determining the winner. 

So ironing shirts could be construed a sport, but only if it was done competitively (first to ten wins),  but ballroom dancing isn't a sport as its scoring system is subjective. 

I would suggest F1 is a sport, but computer gaming isn't. If you were to disregard F1 on the grounds that the effort is undertaken by the vehicle and not the driver, then you would also have to disregard sailing and horse racing. 

For this reason I also find the Sport England's decision not to include Bridge as a sport to be correct. 

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1 hour ago, Alteredbhoy said:

It must be competitive, requiring physical skill and effort and an objective method of determining the winner. 

So ironing shirts could be construed a sport, but only if it was done competitively (first to ten wins),  but ballroom dancing isn't a sport as its scoring system is subjective. 

Careful!
This means figure skating is out, horsey dressage, much of gymnastics, diving (and I include Cristiano Ronaldo in that) and of course fox hunting and shooting Palestinians.

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44 minutes ago, jimmy too said:

What about shooting fish in a barrel?

This fulfils all your criteria.

Damn, after I lavished all that praise on you...…..:58674bea1d8fb_EmojiSmiley-21:

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8 hours ago, jimmy too said:

What about shooting fish in a barrel?

This fulfils all your criteria.

Only if you have shooting fish in a barrel contests. What principles are different between this and shooting at targets with bullets, arrows or darts? 

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8 hours ago, helen said:

Careful!
This means figure skating is out, horsey dressage, much of gymnastics, diving (and I include Cristiano Ronaldo in that) and of course fox hunting and shooting Palestinians.

Figure skating, dressage, gymnastics, diving all have subjective scoring systems and if these are sports then so are cookery, ice sculpting and piano playing. 

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12 hours ago, jimmy too said:

Even Gurning in your case.

But I'm sure if there was a world championship for creating duplicate accounts we all know who the winner would be. 

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12 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

But I'm sure if there was a world championship for creating duplicate accounts we all know who the winner would be. 

Hmm... a candidate for the Guinness book of world records?

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13 minutes ago, jimmy too said:

There should also be a prize for the most miserable, self-opinionated person. There can be no shadow of a doubt who would step up to the podium.

A very good candidate for the book.

Hmm...….. I wonder who that would be?:58674be5c2392_EmojiSmiley-13:

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2 hours ago, jimmy too said:

There should also be a prize for the most miserable, self-opinionated person. There can be no shadow of a doubt who would step up to the podium.

A very good candidate for the book.

 

2 hours ago, rowlf said:

Hmm...….. I wonder who that would be?:58674be5c2392_EmojiSmiley-13:

And the winner issssssssss..................................... :58674da5aabbd_EmojiOrte-36: :58674c057baa4_EmojiSmiley-69: :58674d5a21ae6_EmojiObjects-216: 

:58674cf24b322_EmojiObjects-43: 🔚

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5 hours ago, jimmy too said:

There should also be a prize for the most miserable, self-opinionated person. There can be no shadow of a doubt who would step up to the podium.

A very good candidate for the book.

I find it's always best to be self-opinionated.  Having to rely on the opinions of others is so dull don't you think?  In your case of course, other's opinion of you is so mediocre that it is little wonder you have such an inferiority complex and are unable to man up to your own faults.

 

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Shame that even the most innocent of topics, on this occasion dealing with the definition of what is a sport soon descends into back-biting and point scoring. However, since the topic involves sport, perhaps point scoring is a requisite of any contribution and it is after all the Off Topic forum so sticking to the topic is not a cast iron requirement.

As an aside and in tandem with a topic I posted elsewhere in the OT, the forum is greatly lacking in female contribution. Gender equality seems to be a lost cause within these pages which is curious, since the website deals in the first instance with ladies undergarments :58674be7f3afa_EmojiSmiley-17:

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5 hours ago, jimmy too said:

Your aside is unfortunately very true, Dear Blott, and is a great loss to the forum. There was a time when the likes of Violet and other ladies would happily join in with the banter on the threads and on any subject. I'm not sure if gender equality is the cause of the lack of ladies as these lovely creatures gave as good as they got, and Violet's caustic put-downs were a thing to behold.

On your first point, have you noticed who ALWAYS starts the backbiting and then if their target dares to respond in any way, proceeds to get nastier and more rude with every post?

Valid points jimmy too. I have in the past lamented the loss of our fabulous and talented female contributors to these pages. In virtually all aspects of life i've found a team effort to be preferable over a one sided 'go it alone' sort of enterprise and this transcends to Off Topic bantering in equal measure. Some time ago (I forget when) I happened upon the chatroom side of this website and launched an impromptu recruitment drive for the benefit of the OT. A telling reply from a lady chatter as follows, 'off topic, it's just a bunch of old men moaning and arguing'. 

Reference to who starts things I make no comment. I start plenty of topics and doubtless a few arguments but in my defense I try to keep my subject matter varied at least :58674bdf747cb_EmojiSmiley-04:

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10 hours ago, jimmy too said:

On your first point, have you noticed who ALWAYS starts the backbiting and then if their target dares to respond in any way, proceeds to get nastier and more rude with every post?

Yes, it is rather noticeable.  After all why exactly did YOU have to accuse me of gurning?  There was no need to be rude, but you seem simply unable to help yourself and then accuse everyone else of being nasty.

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30 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

There was no need to be rude, but you seem simply unable to help yourself and then accuse everyone else of being nasty.

He @jimmy too presents the same behaviour each and every time he returns after being banned for inappropriate behaviour  :58674da5aabbd_EmojiOrte-36: :58674c057baa4_EmojiSmiley-69:

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by definition, anything is physical.  taking a shit is physical. walking to the tube is physical.  brushing one's teeth is physical.  and by definition, making it competitive is not necessarily making it a sport.  competitive lawn mowing is not a sport.  competitive crisp eating is not a sport.   competitive hot dog eating is not a sport. anything can be competitive if two people or more wish to race.  sport needs athleticism, learned skills that push the body beyond normal form, and tenacity, plus competition.  cheerleading, aquatic dance and monster truck racing are not sports.  they are exhibitions. entertainment.  the olympics have been bastardised with ice dancing, team aquatic water dancing and gymnastic floor exercises, which are not sport, but displays of talent.  more bullshit to come as they give in to admitting cheerleading as a sport. it's not. 

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5 minutes ago, LondonSW5 said:

by definition, anything is physical.  taking a shit is physical. walking to the tube is physical.  brushing one's teeth is physical.  and by definition, making it competitive is not necessarily making it a sport.  competitive lawn mowing is not a sport.  competitive crisp eating is not a sport.   competitive hot dog eating is not a sport. anything can be competitive if two people or more wish to race.  sport needs athleticism, learned skills that push the body beyond normal form, and tenacity, plus competition.  cheerleading, aquatic dance and monster truck racing are not sports.  they are exhibitions. entertainment.  the olympics have been bastardised with ice dancing, team aquatic water dancing and gymnastic floor exercises, which are not sport, but displays of talent.  more bullshit to come as they give in to admitting cheerleading as a sport. it's not. 

Several hard hitting points made there. Your post had me thinking though, do these 'none sports' lobby the likes of the Olympic Committee for sporting recognition in the best interests of the activity they deem a 'sport' or, are their thoughts more driven by the monitory side of things 'if' their activity of choice is classified as a sport?

Perhaps in the way of sporting grants, tv coverage or if the new activity is deemed a sport paying audiences and a prize money pot to the best in the field. I'd like to think it's the former, but experience makes me feel it's more likely to be the latter.

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On ‎20‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 11:32 PM, jimmy too said:

mYou gave a list of activities that in your opinion were not sports, I simply added gurning to that list even though there are competitions in that activity.

In your other feeble example, neither Ursula nor myself named anyone, least of all yourself. Perhaps you suffer from paranoia.

Well that is just a downright lie.

My accusation was that accused me of gurning and here you deny it.  But what you said was ...

On ‎18‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 11:54 AM, jimmy too said:

Even Gurning in your case.

No wonder there is nobody who can work our Jimmy's Riddles, because the Jimmy Riddler is actually the Liar.  But we all knew that anyway.

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On 23/06/2018 at 12:05 PM, Alteredbhoy said:

Well that is just a downright lie.

My accusation was that accused me of gurning and here you deny it.  But what you said was ...

No wonder there is nobody who can work our Jimmy's Riddles, because the Jimmy Riddler is actually the Liar.  But we all knew that anyway.

Poor little Alteredboy, he can't do right for doing wrong. :58674be6ca98e_EmojiSmiley-15:

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There is a school of thought that says sport has to be pure physical activity. Any use of strategy or tactics disqualifies an activity from meeting that criterion.

By this definition the likes of athletics, swimming, skiing, speed skating and cycling are sports. 

Football, cricket, hockey, basketball. netball, handball etc. are games.

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59 minutes ago, Ursula Harrison said:

There is a school of thought that says sport has to be pure physical activity. Any use of strategy or tactics disqualifies an activity from meeting that criterion.

By this definition the likes of athletics, swimming, skiing, speed skating and cycling are sports. 

Football, cricket, hockey, basketball. netball, handball etc. are games.

Are you suggesting that there are no tactics involved in any of those sports? That's nonsense. Maybe in the shortest sprint it is strength, but anything longer than a sprint requires tactics. 

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One person has been gored and four others hurt as Pamplona's week-long bull running festival got under way. Four others were taken to hospital suffering minor injuries from falls. The last person to die at the festival, in 2009, was gored in the neck.
Now that’s what I call sport!

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10 minutes ago, helen said:

One person has been gored and four others hurt as Pamplona's week-long bull running festival got under way. Four others were taken to hospital suffering minor injuries from falls. The last person to die at the festival, in 2009, was gored in the neck.
Now that’s what I call sport!

My idea of sport is citizens taking their chances with a Socialist government.

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5 hours ago, Alteredbhoy said:

Are you suggesting that there are no tactics involved in any of those sports? That's nonsense.

I wasn't suggesting anything. I merely pointed to a school of thought.

Tactics may well be deployed in some longer distances in athletics and in cycling. However for the likes of sprinting, skiing, speed skating, luge, rowing, canoeing and swimming it's simply a matter of getting from start to finish as fast as you can.

I can't see much evidence of them in field events, weightlifting or gymnastics either.

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