Colibri

F1 Grid Girls gone, what next?

51 posts in this topic

Any thoughts on this please ? I suspect this has come about from the David Walliams charity fund raising party or what the press deemed as inappropriate behaviour with female escorts. Sadly Great Ormond gave back the half million which was raised for them at the dinner....it wasn’t like raised say from drugs trade or human trafficking......or murder for that matter.  Half  million is not something the NHS can afford to return or be without nowadays.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/motorsport/5467725/formula-one-end-use-of-grid-girls-grand-prix-races/

lets hope this doesn’t happen at my airshows with the likes of Farnborough or Paris et al...

some of the comments laughingly pointing at doom and gloom ...fearing it be end of barmaids cheerleading squadsnext etc

At same time it appears no one has asked the models if they enjoyed what they were doing ...or hated it...and at same time it could easily lead to career loss. 

Darts were the first sports to end the grid girls ....

cheers

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To me it is PC taken to the extreme and gone mad. I am sure some will not agree but no-one holds a gun to these girls and makes them do it...they do it because they want to and surely that should count...does anyone bother to ask their opinion on what they do and to take this into consideration when making these decisions or are they scared they will be called "sexist" or whatever if they don't bow to media pressure/feminist groups? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sadly it seems a direct result of a growing movement which may one day be refereed to as militant feminism. There seems to be a lot in the media right now where a tiny minority have an opinion which trumps (nothing to do with the Prez) all other opinions.

As the two posts above mention, ladies who I imagine make a good living out of this type of work (which breaks no laws btw) surely haven't been asked their opinion or if they have it's been ignored. Some years ago a grid girl stood next to a World champion motorcycle rider for a few minutes and went on to marry him (Casey Stoner's wife). Now i'd love to know her opinion to a ban on grid girls ;) 

Of course it does throw up other questions, do the drivers of these type of 'bans' require equality in all matter not just those concerning women. If so they can kiss goodbye to calenders showing 'pretend' firemen in states of half undress. And what of 'stars' who made their name and fortune flouting sex appeal (Madonna) and are now coming all po-faced about it, should their back catalogue of music and films (and royalties) be deleted from the public record?  

Be careful what you wish for peeps, you might just get it!!! 

Edited by Blott

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

AS mentioned in the article within the comments from Christian Horner, F1 has tried grid lads and tried using children instead of the grid girls, but both were criticised as being inappropriate.  The Grid Girls where part of the Glamour of F1 as mentioned by Christian. 

 

In another article by Susie Wolf on the BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42903658 she states that grid girls did not offend her as a woman and that they were part of the tradition of the sport as the grid girls were representing their country to the world.  The girls would often be in traditional dress of the country where the race was being held, so in this respect the grid girls were not always dressed scantily and were smartly dressed.   

 

To me the grid girls where no different than having Air Hostesses/stewards on a plane, but do you see the airlines getting rid of their Air Stewards?   

It does seem to be militant feminism, but ask any of ladies that want to get rid of such things whether they would do a refuse collectors job and the answer would be no, it is a man's job.   Where is the sex equality in that?   

 

Yes, F1 is mostly a male dominated sport and that needs to change with teams getting more women drivers.  There is more women working within the teams, which is great to see, but I think getting rid of the grid girls is a step in the wrong direction to be honest.  Not sure that it will happen, but I think that what should be happening is that you have grid men and women that are representing their country on the grid.   But I doubt that will happen.       

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What next?  Perhaps competitive cars , and an end to the inevitable procession around whichever track is being visited.  (And yes I do like F1.)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, without being sexist, what happens to the "grid boys" now, do they all get the sack and end up on the dole like the girls???

Just a thought............ 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Rebbeka + Giggles said:

So, without being sexist, what happens to the "grid boys" now, do they all get the sack and end up on the dole like the girls???

Just a thought............ 

Not sure i've ever seen 'grid boys' but they probably do exist in some area of sport. I suspect this removal of ladies stood near the cars is a result of showing women in a negative light (some may say, no sh*t Sherlock), but bear with as there's a bigger agenda at work here.

A disjointed group of people are wanting to drive women's rights in all sorts of directions. I've gone on record countless times to say I believe we are all equal, we arrive in the same way and leave in the same way when St Peter calls us. 

Those lucky enough to be pretty, young and slim are always wanted to add a touch of glamour to proceedings and paid accordingly. I for instance wouldn't earn much as 'the touch of glamour' you get my drift. Taking that earning stream away from the lucky ones begs another question...where will they earn their living now. Perhaps doing the jobs the unlucky ones are doing, ergo, those nature didn't bless with glamorous looks better watch out because their jobs might be under threat very soon.

What goes around, comes around :58674be0c2f40_EmojiSmiley-06: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Change of uniform for The Salvation Army Girls? plus a disbanding on showgirl dance troupes and finally a ban on seams as they might give out the wrong message?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Auntiesfault said:

Change of uniform for The Salvation Army Girls? plus a disbanding on showgirl dance troupes and finally a ban on seams as they might give out the wrong message?

All good points, Auntiesfault.

Just as an aside, you don't see many Chorus girl line-ups these days. Who remembers Sunday Night at the London Palladium?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Apparently the most famous chorus girls club, the Moulin Rouge, is in financial difficulties from lack of attendances, so it looks like all this feminism clap trap is slowly but surely working, making a lot of dancers redundant.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, Rebbeka + Giggles said:

Apparently the most famous chorus girls club, the Moulin Rouge, is in financial difficulties from lack of attendances, so it looks like all this feminism clap trap is slowly but surely working, making a lot of dancers redundant.

Presumably putting a lot more people out of work and in the dole queue. Never mind, the government can afford it and It's not as if these dancers can go into other professions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, Auntiesfault said:

Change of uniform for The Salvation Army Girls? plus a disbanding on showgirl dance troupes and finally a ban on seams as they might give out the wrong message?

Ha, never mind the in between stages lets go back to Victorian ages where even an ankle on show was considered risque :58674be335272_EmojiSmiley-09: or perhaps require all women to be covered head to toe in case those beastly men start getting 'ideas' :58674be025c9f_EmojiSmiley-05::58674be0c2f40_EmojiSmiley-06:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, Blott said:

Ha, never mind the in between stages lets go back to Victorian ages where even an ankle on show was considered risque :58674be335272_EmojiSmiley-09: or perhaps require all women to be covered head to toe in case those beastly men start getting 'ideas' :58674be025c9f_EmojiSmiley-05::58674be0c2f40_EmojiSmiley-06:

As those ladies of an alternative religion wear.

As Henry Ford said, "Any colour as long as it's black".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another example of PC. It seems there are no limits. Many of these girls use the publicity they get from these events as a stepping stone to obtaining even more recognition and higher wages.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Many of these girls use the publicity they get from these events as a stepping stone to obtaining even more recognition and higher wages.

Ladies using their feminine wiles to get where they want to be!!! The sisterhood would never be that shallow surely :58674be7f3afa_EmojiSmiley-17:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Next they will ban ladies from appearing on Strictly Come Dancing (Dancing with the Stars in the US) and it will be an all male show!   

 

As was kind of stating above, there should be equality between the sexes and I will not argue with that point.  But the way things are going, it is like men should not exist and glamour events should not occur.  There will be no glamour models next and groups like the Spice Girls will be banned.        

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"and groups like the Spice Girls will be banned."

So it's not all bad news then?       

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Auntiesfault said:

"and groups like the Spice Girls will be banned."

So it's not all bad news then?       

 

What? You mean no more Posh? Poor David will be devastated.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 04/02/2018 at 6:06 AM, rowlf said:

Another example of PC. It seems there are no limits. Many of these girls use the publicity they get from these events as a stepping stone to obtaining even more recognition and higher wages.

You guys are looking at this all wrong. All you need do is chip in an extra $200 and you are entitled to grope the models as much as you like. Aren't you? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Trinity said:

You guys are looking at this all wrong. All you need do is chip in an extra $200 and you are entitled to grope the models as much as you like. Aren't you? 

You're fixated with this 'groping' stuff. Reality check, Penny! The world is constantly rotating, and there's at least one gyrating lap dance going on as I speak. These women aren't 'bad' people. They're doing what they can to improve their particular situation. I've traveled extensively and have visited 'dives' that you bring you're own alcoholic beverage and place it in a cooler supplied for you.. Conversely I've visited places where you're shown to your table by a man in a tuxedo. And I've never in my life had a 'lap dance'. Never wanted one! But we're all different!

These things happen and there's 'good' people and there's 'bad' people. But I'm not judgmental, so I've leave it up to you to judge. You don't mind doing the judging, do you? I'm no one would ever judge you...........

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, rowlf said:

You're fixated with this 'groping' stuff. Reality check, Penny! The world is constantly rotating, and there's at least one gyrating lap dance going on as I speak. These women aren't 'bad' people. They're doing what they can to improve their particular situation. I've traveled extensively and have visited 'dives' that you bring you're own alcoholic beverage and place it in a cooler supplied for you.. Conversely I've visited places where you're shown to your table by a man in a tuxedo. And I've never in my life had a 'lap dance'. Never wanted one! But we're all different!

These things happen and there's 'good' people and there's 'bad' people. But I'm not judgmental, so I've leave it up to you to judge. You don't mind doing the judging, do you? I'm no one would ever judge you...........

What are you talking about? Are you now saying that grid girls are strippers? And wow, you went to a byo once. How cosmopolitan. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A few thoughts on this

I assume all of you who are bemoaning the loss of the grid girls would be quite happy for you daughter to parade around in skin tight lycra at one of these events.

Those of you decrying the use of grid kids I assume are equally unhappy about child mascots at football and rugby matches.

I think the main reason they are going is they are just old fashioned. It has nothing to do with being PC but everything to do with marketing. Women make up around half the population and grid girls do nothing to sell the sport to them. So a calculated decision has been taken to target women as a market and not worry about a few blokes who are fed up about it. 

At the end of the day it's all about the money. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
52 minutes ago, WestMerciaHeels said:

A few thoughts on this

I assume all of you who are bemoaning the loss of the grid girls would be quite happy for you daughter to parade around in skin tight lycra at one of these events.

Those of you decrying the use of grid kids I assume are equally unhappy about child mascots at football and rugby matches.

I think the main reason they are going is they are just old fashioned. It has nothing to do with being PC but everything to do with marketing. Women make up around half the population and grid girls do nothing to sell the sport to them. So a calculated decision has been taken to target women as a market and not worry about a few blokes who are fed up about it. 

At the end of the day it's all about the money. 

I'm sorry, WMH but I simply cannot agree with your assessment. To say that women don't sell a product or sport is just ridiculous. Where are these blokes that are fed up with seeing pretty girls, whether they are dressed in lycra or anything else? By your calculations there will be no females advertising coffee or anything else on telly or in magazines, in fact nowhere. Lets face it, if theres a pretty girl involved the product is more likely to sell. You may call this exploitation and I'm sure some will but it's a fact of life and always will be.

'Ladies are old fashioned'? Come on.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, stockingsadmirer69 said:

I'm sorry, WMH but I simply cannot agree with your assessment. To say that women don't sell a product or sport is just ridiculous. Where are these blokes that are fed up with seeing pretty girls, whether they are dressed in lycra or anything else? By your calculations there will be no females advertising coffee or anything else on telly or in magazines, in fact nowhere. Lets face it, if theres a pretty girl involved the product is more likely to sell. You may call this exploitation and I'm sure some will but it's a fact of life and always will be.

'Ladies are old fashioned'? Come on.

That's not what I said please re-read my paragraph:

1 hour ago, WestMerciaHeels said:

Women make up around half the population and grid girls do nothing to sell the sport to them. So a calculated decision has been taken to target women as a market and not worry about a few blokes who are fed up about 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Trinity said:

What are you talking about? Are you now saying that grid girls are strippers? And wow, you went to a byo once. How cosmopolitan. 

I don't know what I'm talking about. I thought I was on the 'President's dinner' forum.........................:58674be6ca98e_EmojiSmiley-15:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, WestMerciaHeels said:

That's not what I said please re-read my paragraph:

 

That is what I did WMH and as a result of my interpretation, that is how I replied. If I have missed your point please humour me and explain what you meant by your observations. If you mean that only F1 use attractive girls to sell the sport then again I cannot agree with you and you cannot be sure that girls do not or cannot sell to other females.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe the males are looking at this the wrong way ?

To use Aunties quote...'ban seams', I enjoy wearing seams, but rarely do.  The reason behind this is the view/reaction from men.

Maybe the golden goose has been killed by yourselves or the minority of men , at least ?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, stockingsadmirer69 said:

That is what I did WMH and as a result of my interpretation, that is how I replied. If I have missed your point please humour me and explain what you meant by your observations. If you mean that only F1 use attractive girls to sell the sport then again I cannot agree with you and you cannot be sure that girls do not or cannot sell to other females.

Well I thought it was pretty clear.

In my opinion and the opinion of most marketeers gender based stereotyping such as grid girls does nothing to increase the size of your market.

So if you believe that, you, position your marketing around appealing to the widest cross section of the population. Commercial organisations have decided that grid girls do not help them achieve that aim so they have to go.

As I said it's all about the money and nothing to do with PC.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, WestMerciaHeels said:

Well I thought it was pretty clear.

In my opinion and the opinion of most marketeers gender based stereotyping such as grid girls does nothing to increase the size of your market.

So if you believe that, you, position your marketing around appealing to the widest cross section of the population. Commercial organisations have decided that grid girls do not help them achieve that aim so they have to go.

As I said it's all about the money and nothing to do with PC.

It's all about money. If it wasn't it would be an all male world or at least one before 1918.

And are you trying to tell me that good looking girls don't help in the sales of merchandise, any merchandise? Good grief, where do you live?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, WestMerciaHeels said:

Well I thought it was pretty clear.

In my opinion and the opinion of most marketeers gender based stereotyping such as grid girls does nothing to increase the size of your market.

So you're telling me that I've lived a lie my entire life, and the feelings I had when confronted with a pretty barmaid, attractive sales woman, good looking news readers were just a figment of my imagination. I'd like to see those stats.

So if you believe that, you, position your marketing around appealing to the widest cross section of the population. Commercial organisations have decided that grid girls do not help them achieve that aim so they have to go.

As I said it's all about the money and nothing to do with PC.

It is all about the money. However, the objections made by these 'experts' pontificating on social values is total bs, or PC.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, rowlf said:

So you're telling me that I've lived a lie my entire life, and the feelings I had when confronted with a pretty barmaid, attractive sales woman, good looking news readers were just a figment of my imagination. I'd like to see those stats.

Well if you had read what my previous post that the one you are commenting on was a follow up to

8 hours ago, WestMerciaHeels said:

Women make up around half the population and grid girls do nothing to sell the sport to them. So a calculated decision has been taken to target women as a market and not worry about a few blokes who are fed up about it. 

They are I guess assuming that your feelings about grid girls will not stop you watching the sport and for the few men who are put off the revenue lost will be more than compensated for by increased sales to women.

14 minutes ago, rowlf said:

It is all about the money. However, the objections made by these 'experts' pontificating on social values is total bs, or PC

That really makes little sense. It will be a case of cold hard numbers. They assume they will make more money with the girls gone because of increased sales from those who were not in favour of them. 

I have no idea if they are right or not but don't try to cloak this in your catch all PC comments as I really think it is nothing to do with that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 01/02/2018 at 12:21 PM, Lord Seaton said:

To me it is PC taken to the extreme and gone mad. I am sure some will not agree but no-one holds a gun to these girls and makes them do it...they do it because they want to and surely that should count...does anyone bother to ask their opinion on what they do and to take this into consideration when making these decisions or are they scared they will be called "sexist" or whatever if they don't bow to media pressure/feminist groups? 

well said , I agree Lord Seaton

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Darts, F1 what next? Shq maybe next for the chop, who knows.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, SirSpender said:

Darts, F1 what next? Shq maybe next for the chop, who knows.

When you think about how many pictures are probably posted here without knowledge or consent... yeah probably.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Trinity said:

When you think about how many pictures are probably posted here without knowledge or consent... yeah probably.

Or are posted without following the rules. 

 

I do think that it is a big loss that grid girls will be going as no one was pushing the ladies into doing the job, they were doing to represent their country.    

 

However, I have to agree with WestMerciaHeels point above about it not being marketable to get the ladies to watch the sport.   That being said though, I know quite a few more ladies that watch the F1 on television than blokes, but that is another discussion.        

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Jeremy Vine interview with 'former' walk on girl Jade Slusarczyk who is clearly a very intelligent articulate young lady. Jade dispels the arguments made against her profession with cool calm reasoned discussion. In a previous interview with Jeremy Vine a lady caller had told Jade she needed to be 'educated'.

Jade had originally planned to train as a doctor before a car accident meant she gave up that career path to care for her mother.

I can't help thinking those who argue against Jade's chosen profession are the ones who require 'education', education in the freedom of choice of other ladies.

Of course there is perhaps another hidden agenda of those who claim to champion the rights of Jade and her colleagues not to be viewed as 'objects', perhaps those who make such a lot of noise are actually hiding strong feelings of jealousy.   

      

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now