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1 hour ago, explorer1954 said:

Its pretty basic really if you erect both tariff and non tariff barriers with your biggest market you loose market share. All of our agreements with the rest of the world will lapse unless they agree to roll them over which at the moment does not seem likely. As we have a trade surplus with the USA do you think Trump won't put America first and seek to gain competitive advantage?

The EU is a far bigger and more powerful entity than the UK on its own. In the trade dispute over Bombardier it was the EU action that helped overturn the potential tariffs.

It seems that many Brits have the mindset that they're unable to cope with life's pitfalls. That's sad.

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7 minutes ago, rowlf said:

It seems that many Brits have the mindset that they're unable to cope with life's pitfalls. That's sad.

What a daft comment. 

When you think things are going wrong you try to change them. Surely that is democracy in action.

Let's turn this on its head if we had voted to stay in the EU would you have been saying to anti EU people you've got to go along with this even though you think it's wrong. Don't think so. After all the anti EU lot were agitating for many years.

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1 hour ago, explorer1954 said:

What a daft comment. 

When you think things are going wrong you try to change them. Surely that is democracy in action.

Let's turn this on its head if we had voted to stay in the EU would you have been saying to anti EU people you've got to go along with this even though you think it's wrong. Don't think so. After all the anti EU lot were agitating for many years.

I think our respective countries are coming to a crossroads................ do we want self responsibility, or more gov control. I could stretch my neck and say that gov control would be good if it was intelligent, but that would be a text book for 'oxymoron'.

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I think that the real problem is that in either the UK or US government there is not anyone using what I would call common sense approach to matters and thinking things through with seeing all the options of what could occur.  IT seems that they go with the flow for 6 - 12 months, then we have the 'Oops sorry wrong path'  mentality hit in with the way the world is going.    

 

For example the David Cameron conservative government between 2010 - 2015 ordered brand new Inter-city trains made by Hitachi.  These trains where designed as hybrid trains with being able to be powered by overhead electric power and have diesel engines in some of the coaches in the trains.  These trains are to be replacing the 40 years plus inter-city 125 trains either on the Great Western Railway.   

 

Now the original plan was to electrify between London and Swansea on the Great Western Mainline.  However, the current Government from 2015 decided to cut the electrification back so that it just goes between London and Didcot, due to the trains also having diesel engines.  However, the diesel engines in the Hitachi trains can only do about 100 - 115mph with the engine rating that they have been set too, but can do the needed 125mph on electric power.  But the 40 plus year old trains being replaced which are diesel trains can do 125mph on all parts of the route and do the services in a quicker time.   

 

So, there is going to be slower trains replacing quicker trains that are being retired to work the Scottish Inter-City trains, all because the Government wants to save money due to someone in the Department of Transport/Network Rail getting their figures wrong as to how much it would cost to electrify the Great Western Mainline. 

 

Now, I see the above situations happening in both the UK and US governments where no seems to have a clue as to what they are doing.  The US has it slightly better, in that there does seem to be people in the local state governments that know what they are doing when it comes to planning rail projects.  But here in the UK where it is planned out of the Department of Transport otherwise known as 'DAFT' in many transport circles, there seems to be no one with a real good idea as to what is needing for public transport systems.        

   

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8 hours ago, Robbies said:

I think that the real problem is that in either the UK or US government there is not anyone using what I would call common sense approach to matters and thinking things through with seeing all the options of what could occur.  IT seems that they go with the flow for 6 - 12 months, then we have the 'Oops sorry wrong path'  mentality hit in with the way the world is going.    

Well, it's hard to use common sense when your constituents want you to do otherwise. You must remember the driving force behind the elected official is to get re-elected. And to do that, they must cater to their base, or district voters.

This is part of the problem, as well. Here in the US, there is a huge voting block in the highly populated areas. These voters are more likely to vote for a liberal ticket. Our electoral college is the only reason President Trump was elected. He didn't receive the majority of votes, but that wasn't necessary. Each state is given a certain number of electoral votes, based on their population. A president is elected based on a  minimum number of electoral votes. I feel our forefathers were very smart in making it this way.

Speaking of Trump, if you put aside his garish talk, he is a common sense guy.....................absolutely not a politician. Although it takes a little politician to make things happen. He is quickly learning this.

After saying all this, I still think it must fall back on the shoulders of the voters. What do we want out of an elected official? The electorate is very impatient. The want instant results. Take Brexit as an example. We don't want uncertainty. We want to be coddled. There was/is a reason why the Brits wanted out of this arrangement. It can't be ignored or combatted. I've learned that it's the British voters that want this 2nd referendum.

One could call it the 'Oops sorry wrong path' mentality.

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This is a summary from someone I know of the benefits to his business of the single market and customs union that the supporters of Brexit want us to abandon.

His company ships specialist electronic devices around Europe Middle East and Africa. The devices change all the time. The design is upgraded, the components change, the price changes, the customer changes often.

When shipping to Europe, the boxes are never opened, there are no checks, no paperwork, no taxes. Everything goes straight through. They can therefore do just in time deliveryto customers in Europe.


In Middle East and Africa they have to have warehouses. This is because the time to cross the border is unpredictable. When reaching the country the border guard has to check the consignment to see if: 


1. The shipment is a permitted import, not banned under some local law or other (electronics are often caught up in defence import restrictions).

Often the border guards make honest mistakes in the classifications and hold you up for days whilst it is corrected.

2. The shipment is subject to an import tax. Different classes of products bear different import taxes. Sometimes the regime is very complex.

If you make a mistake in the declarations you are delayed weeks whilst it is corrected.

3. The shipment has to comply with an ever-growing array of local laws like Health & Safety, environmental, local content etc.

Again either mistakes in the paperwork or the guards’ understanding can cause delays.

4. The end customer must be a properly registered business for local taxes and all other laws. If they don’t compile the correct paperwork, there are delays. They often sell to SMEs and they are not always good at this stuff.

5. Sometimes the delays are accidental or honest mistakes. Sometimes they are deliberate. In some countries, the only way to get goods out of a long delay is to pay the Guard $$$$

They can NEVER do this because British law is strict. But a local SME customer can and will and he will then demand a price discount from them to accommodate “logistical costs”. Perversely this incentivises him to tell the Guard to hold it up so that they can split a bribe.

6. He had one experience in Spain when bidding for a major contract, a local competing supplier complained to the customer that the (complex and unusual) electronic products were not compliant with local laws and that he would bring a case to the Government if they won the contract.

This disruption delayed the sale by three months whilst he made his case, entirely outraged, and pointed out that UK is in the EU and that as a result local laws cannot over-ride EU trading standards laws. This argument prevailed as he knew it would and he won the deal..

.. but his rival had achieved his objective of delaying him and prejudicing the customer against them for future business. 

Leaving the single market and customs union means that exporting to EU countries will begin to pose problems above. Remember almost 50% of UK exports go to the EU.

So to overcome this he will have to hold more stock, ship in advance to hold it in local warehouses in Europe so its ready at no notice. That means taking the risk that the goods sell quickly and don’t sit on the shelf until they become obsolete (3-6 months in his case).

This will cause his prices to rise to the point where he may lose some or all of the business within Europe.

It has nothing to do with being coddled but everything to do with not shooting ourselves in the foot and causing massive economic damage. Is it worth a permanent massive reduction in our wealth and standard of living and large scale unemployment in every region just to have fewer immigrants, the only real driver for which is old fashioned racism, and a theoretical ability to prevent EU laws no-one can name?

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