bratman

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I don't post in here very often but I feel compelled t add my ten pennuth. As others have said prior to this post "I am not a racist" but I do feel that the massive influx of people from Eastern Europe and other areas has been a major factor in the strain on the NHS. When you have such huge increases in numbers but don't build new hospitals etc, then you are bound to put a strain on the existing resources. You could argue that the immigrants are paying taxes and therefore the government is getting a bigger tax take than before, but the big problem is that to build a new hospital cannot be done over night, it takes years of planning and then construction before it materialises as a new hospital. In my view there should be a cross party panel that looks at all the major projects that require doing and puts forward a 20 year plus business plan which should be adhered to regardless of the party in power over that period. We have a very short term view of these important issues which is to the detriment of the country as a whole.

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Of course you're not a racist. In our current society we elect people that tell us what we want to hear. Politicians know what it takes to get elected, so that's how they campaign. 

I'm old enough to remember back in the old days when we, the electorate, had the intelligence and the will to elect a person having pragmatic views of how an entity should be managed and were able to look to the future and anticipate our needs. I shudder to think of what the world will be like for the people in the upcoming decades. Man is very resilient, so he'll be around a bit longer. But under what conditions, and under who's thumb.

Back not too many decades ago, we stopped teaching our children. And these same children have grown up to be our politicians, and to be the ones that vote for them.

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21 hours ago, explorer1954 said:

So are you saying that those that can't afford it should not have access to medical services as it puts your cost up?

I believe more than a quarter of U.S. adults struggle to pay their medical bills. This includes those who have insurance, whether independently or through an employer. In fact, medical debt is the No. 1 source of personal bankruptcy filings in the U.S., and in 2014, an estimated 40% of Americans racked up debt resulting from a medical issue.

Nobody in the UK becomes bankrupt because of medical expenses. 

I am absolutely not saying this. People should have the best healthcare possible, at all times. I will say that we as a society make it way too easy for our citizens to shirk their responsibilities in contributing to their own healthcare, or welfare.

Someone must pay for those that don't contribute. Unfortunately, the taxpayer takes this additional burden.

When this Obamacare was initiated everybody had access to all that the private payers had, and much more. At the same time, it also increased the cost of the private pay insurance so high that the average working man couldn't afford it. I remember Obama saying that if you liked your plan you could keep it. Well, my private pay was cancelled. However, I could have gotten another policy, but the cost would have risen from $330 to over $900/mo, with less coverage.

But isn't your gov doing the same thing to you? Aren't there any of the working class on here....................or are you all subsidized by the gov?

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7 minutes ago, rowlf said:

 

But isn't your gov doing the same thing to you? Aren't there any of the working class on here....................or are you all subsidized by the gov?

I work, well actually I run my own business, with the taxes I pay I really don't think I am subsidised by the government for my healthcare. I don't think as a nation we spend enough on healthcare. 

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15 hours ago, macboatface said:

 

Make your mind up, Piggy. You said "years ago". Perhaps you might explain how long you mean by 'years ago'.

I hope you have more success with pigs than you do on these forums.

You really are the most odious and objectionable little man.  I'd block you so that I don't have to read your incessant childish and insulting dribble, but you have that many accounts it would be a lifetime's work to do so.

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The major difficulty with healthcare provision is that it is designed to push back against our very mortality.

When the NHS was conceived, it was as an investment.  If we improved the health of the working population, then we would be more productive and generate more income and taxes to pay for it.  The NHS though has improved the mortality rates amongst the portions of the population who are no longer, or unlikely to ever become economically active.  This has the result that the economically inactive have become a larger proportion of our population and the healthcare costs of that group have become proportionately larger.Instead of improving the health of the economically active, we're keeping the economically inactive alive for longer.

We have choices, none of which are popular.  Either we stop trying to treat and find cures for the terminal illnesses that affect the economically inactive.  Or we simply pay a lot more in taxes (but these are being paid by the economically active to keep the economically inactive alive for longer).  Or we encourage immigration of the economically active from other countries in order to redress the balance.

The question is, which of these three unpopular choices are we going to adopt?  Or are we just going to keep on muddling through and moaning all the time?

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19 hours ago, ruby said:

I used to work for a US based Automotive Corporation in the UK, and their view was that they always promoted their top Executives from within, as nobody understood the Company from outside. The thing large Corporations and Governments do not understand "outsourcing" only works if the Company is better at the skill you are "outsourcing". My Company was always "outsourcing" work and then realising that is was effectively costing them more money, and it costs even more money to terminate the contract. With the Government it is even worse, a Minister thinks they can save money, but by the time the "Supplier" has failed the Minister has moved on. 

The company I spent the most time working for, was a supply side manufacturer. We always had the mentality that no one was 'better than us' in the our field of endeavor. However, many tasks were only performed occasionally, and/or it was such an expensive procedure it was best done by one specializing in that field. Years before I worked there, we poured our own castings. But the gov continued to increase the restrictions and regulations on air quality, that we were forced to outsource that as well.

As for the US verses UK schemes, the US System is not that great, it is fragmented as each Hospital is a private entity, I mean did anyone read the article about the Nurse that was killing OAPs, all the Hospital involved when they found out, was to release him (did not want the bad publicity), so that he could carry on his spree in another hospital. It appears with the US System, you spend a great deal of time trying to get the money back from the Health Insurer.  Rowlf I would be interested on your views, as I said I used to work for a US Company and went there a lot. The thing is with the NHS a lot depends which doctor you get, some are really good, some are useless. As seems to be the case with most things the useless ones seem to be the ones most appreciated.

I think that in the last couple of decades, healthcare is starting to be run by large corporations. And these healthcare providers include not only the hospitals, but the residents, specialists, therapy, psychiatry, satellite general practitioners, etc. The whole ball of wax. I don't necessarily like this, and I don't think their employees like this, as well. It's all about the money, isn't it?

If I remember right, our healthcare costs started increasing in the mid to late 80's. I think one of the reasons for this was the increasing global economy. Our companies had to start cutting costs, and one of those cost cutting measures, was to place more of the healthcare burden on the worker.

You're absolutely right about those doctors. We have the ability to monitor how a doctor is rated on the internet. I thought about changing my primary care physician, and I found out he was rated '5 stars'! Now this guy wasn't totally stoopid, but he didn't deserve 5 stars! 

But we do have the right to change our doctors, or to pick and choose our specialists we go to. However, there is such a thing as 'networks', and if we choose to see someone not in the network, we may have to pay a higher copay.

 

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13 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You really are the most odious and objectionable little man.  I'd block you so that I don't have to read your incessant childish and insulting dribble, but you have that many accounts it would be a lifetime's work to do so.

Will you leave my little buddy alone? He's doing the best he can and you should give him some credit. And you talk about multiple identities. One could say that he's learned from the 'master'!:58674be234469_EmojiSmiley-08:

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7 minutes ago, rowlf said:

Will you leave my little buddy alone? He's doing the best he can and you should give him some credit. And you talk about multiple identities. One could say that he's learned from the 'master'!:58674be234469_EmojiSmiley-08:

You think your "little buddy" should be allowed to post insulting posts without being challenged?  I can state quite categorically that I am not a welsh pig farmer called Gary, or a photographer from Clacton called Mel and I have never posted under accounts suggesting that I am.  Any suggestion by you or you irritating little friend that I have are lies.

 

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43 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You really are the most odious and objectionable little man.  I'd block you so that I don't have to read your incessant childish and insulting dribble, but you have that many accounts it would be a lifetime's work to do so.

Nothing to stop you trying, but you might as well use a fork to muck your pigs out, little man.

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21 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You think your "little buddy" should be allowed to post insulting posts without being challenged?  I can state quite categorically that I am not a welsh pig farmer called Gary, or a photographer from Clacton called Mel and I have never posted under accounts suggesting that I am.  Any suggestion by you or you irritating little friend that I have are lies.

 

No lies from this side, no matter how many come from the above obnoxious person. All my comments about him are facts as told to me by a member who has had the unfortunate and doubtful pleasure of being entertained by the pig man. All of which was for an ulterior motive.

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19 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

You think your "little buddy" should be allowed to post insulting posts without being challenged?  I can state quite categorically that I am not a welsh pig farmer called Gary, or a photographer from Clacton called Mel and I have never posted under accounts suggesting that I am.  Any suggestion by you or you irritating little friend that I have are lies.

 

Of course, I could be mistaken. But I'm fairly certain that you wouldn't own up to it. If we enjoy what we are doing, then it doesn't matter. If you are irritated by his posts, then why read them?

I've stated this time and again. If we don't want to read a post, we should ignore it. Think about this. Just how many members do you think are reading this forum after vowing to leave and never return? It's like chasing an ambulance. Tony may think your olbas oil............I don't care if you are. Personally, I like pigs. But I would never marry one.

And we're not lying. But we may be mistaken. You who believes in the 'efficacy' of a member's post should understand this.

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42 minutes ago, Alteredbhoy said:

The major difficulty with healthcare provision is that it is designed to push back against our very mortality.

When the NHS was conceived, it was as an investment.  If we improved the health of the working population, then we would be more productive and generate more income and taxes to pay for it.  The NHS though has improved the mortality rates amongst the portions of the population who are no longer, or unlikely to ever become economically active.  This has the result that the economically inactive have become a larger proportion of our population and the healthcare costs of that group have become proportionately larger.Instead of improving the health of the economically active, we're keeping the economically inactive alive for longer.

We have choices, none of which are popular.  Either we stop trying to treat and find cures for the terminal illnesses that affect the economically inactive.  Or we simply pay a lot more in taxes (but these are being paid by the economically active to keep the economically inactive alive for longer).  Or we encourage immigration of the economically active from other countries in order to redress the balance.

The question is, which of these three unpopular choices are we going to adopt?  Or are we just going to keep on muddling through and moaning all the time?

Bloody NHS! Why couldn't they keep their noses out of health care and let children die from diphtheria and rickets? And while they were at it, why should old people have walking frames and replacement joints, they've done nothing to earn these privileges. Keep all the money for the fat cats who can afford private medicine (but still use NHS doctors and surgeons).

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WWU power to your elbow, your use of irony and sarcasm may well qualify you to join our exalted band of "grumpy old men". Not that I'm suggesting you're old its an honorific given those of use who chose to rail at injustice in it's many forms.

John B.

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Shh I Know WWU is you Tony, at least in this incarnation there's a flash of the curmudgeonly bugger of old not the childish tit for tat pain you became of late. Return to the path of enlightenment.

John B.

 

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6 hours ago, rowlf said:

Of course you're not a racist. In our current society we elect people that tell us what we want to hear. Politicians know what it takes to get elected, so that's how they campaign. 

I'm old enough to remember back in the old days when we, the electorate, had the intelligence and the will to elect a person having pragmatic views of how an entity should be managed and were able to look to the future and anticipate our needs. I shudder to think of what the world will be like for the people in the upcoming decades. Man is very resilient, so he'll be around a bit longer. But under what conditions, and under who's thumb.

Back not too many decades ago, we stopped teaching our children. And these same children have grown up to be our politicians, and to be the ones that vote for them.

What a nonsense. You have presently got a fellow in charge who is planning a monstrous development - a wall that he can hang the Trump logo onto so large that it will be seen from Mars -  This is taking enormous planning  and management and anticipation of the future.  For example in 30 years when sea levels are 10 feet higher due to global warming the Mexicans would be able to swim over a small wall, so he's making it 50 feet high. 

See what I mean ?

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3 hours ago, weeniewinderupper said:

Careful what you post John B, you could be accused of being me.

Who would have thunk it?

Oh fook. Here's me thinking you were the Kennesaw Kid and it turns out you're Forrest Gump.  I can't keep up.

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5 hours ago, rowlf said:

 

One of the things we have here, much to the disgust of the American pharmaceutical industry, is a government organization, called Pharmac, whose objective is to drive down the cost of pharmaceuticals to both the government (ie state funded health providers) and Joe public.  What they do is tell Pfizer that if there is a suitable generic substitute for a drug that they will only buy any product at that price, forcing the giants to match the market.  The giants of course try to leverage monopolies that they may have but for the most part our pharmaceutical costs are under some control and I doubt that any argument that our healthcare is substandard relative to other countries would hold.  Of course Rowlf will think this is both Communist and anti business but we Antipodeans simply like telling big US institiutions to get fooked.

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1 hour ago, Trinity said:

What a nonsense. You have presently got a fellow in charge who is planning a monstrous development - a wall that he can hang the Trump logo onto so large that it will be seen from Mars -  This is taking enormous planning  and management and anticipation of the future.  For example in 30 years when sea levels are 10 feet higher due to global warming the Mexicans would be able to swim over a small wall, so he's making it 50 feet high. 

See what I mean ?

Now steady on Trinny, a wall worked very well for the Chinese, that is, until old Ghengis came along.

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2 hours ago, Trinity said:

Oh fook. Here's me thinking you were the Kennesaw Kid and it turns out you're Forrest Gump.  I can't keep up.

No, sorry. That was just a rumour started by a few members who tried to start unrest in the forums.

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2 hours ago, Trinity said:

What a nonsense. You have presently got a fellow in charge who is planning a monstrous development - a wall that he can hang the Trump logo onto so large that it will be seen from Mars -  This is taking enormous planning  and management and anticipation of the future.  For example in 30 years when sea levels are 10 feet higher due to global warming the Mexicans would be able to swim over a small wall, so he's making it 50 feet high. 

See what I mean ?

Young lady, you're approaching hysteria!:58674be5c2392_EmojiSmiley-13:

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9 hours ago, rowlf said:

Young lady, you're approaching hysteria!:58674be5c2392_EmojiSmiley-13:

OMG, now you're onto  a uterus that I don't actually have Rowlf?

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4 hours ago, Trinity said:

OMG, now you're onto  a uterus that I don't actually have Rowlf?

'To have or have not', that is the question, which only you can answer. I'll trust your gut feeling on this matter.

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6 hours ago, luckyme said:

Interesting program on telly at the moment, about gender re-assessment.

Re-assignment ?     Apparently , if you believe all the bs, gene therapy will switch on a gene that controls the development of genitalia.  In the forseeable future I'll be able to grow a uterus.  Except I rather like my man bits.  The more interesting future challenge, as I see  it, is getting society to accept people like me who are happy having a foot in both camps.  (and no Rowlf, one of those feet is not on a banana peel).

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50 minutes ago, Trinity said:

Re-assignment ?     Apparently , if you believe all the bs, gene therapy will switch on a gene that controls the development of genitalia.  In the forseeable future I'll be able to grow a uterus.  Except I rather like my man bits.  The more interesting future challenge, as I see  it, is getting society to accept people like me who are happy having a foot in both camps.  (and no Rowlf, one of those feet is not on a banana peel).

Now steady on old girl, I thought you said you had one foot up Rowlf's ass so if the other's on a banana you could end up doing yourself a mischief.

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36 minutes ago, luckyme said:

Now steady on old girl, I thought you said you had one foot up Rowlf's ass so if the other's on a banana you could end up doing yourself a mischief.

Doesn't bode well for Rowlf, either.................:58674be8def50_EmojiSmiley-19:

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Now Trinity, Rowlf and WWU if you've finished you're gynaecological foray can we get back on topic please. The latest twist to the increased pressure on the NHS appears to have been avoidable. This years flu surge is apparently 50% type A (Australian) and 50% type B (Japanese). The vaccine that gives protection for both costs  £8.00 the vaccine for type A only costs £5.00. No guesses which one was recommended to the various trusts. The result A&E's swamped with patients suffering from type B flu. In fact one health authority was under so much pressure it is alleged 20 people died from type B flu waiting for an ambulance. Obviously many of those 20 were elderly, frail at risk etc but the bare fact is people died some unnecessarily.

I'm not being trite but please look out for your elderly friends, neighbours, family and that includes me the geriatric.

John B.

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3 hours ago, bratman said:

Now Trinity, Rowlf and WWU if you've finished you're gynaecological foray can we get back on topic please. The latest twist to the increased pressure on the NHS appears to have been avoidable. This years flu surge is apparently 50% type A (Australian) and 50% type B (Japanese). The vaccine that gives protection for both costs  £8.00 the vaccine for type A only costs £5.00. No guesses which one was recommended to the various trusts. The result A&E's swamped with patients suffering from type B flu. In fact one health authority was under so much pressure it is alleged 20 people died from type B flu waiting for an ambulance. Obviously many of those 20 were elderly, frail at risk etc but the bare fact is people died some unnecessarily.

I'm not being trite but please look out for your elderly friends, neighbours, family and that includes me the geriatric.

John B.

I don't think there can ever be a winner on the flu vaccine stakes. The vaccines themselves are (generally) average in their efficacy and as you highlight they have to pick the strains that they think will do the rounds.  Having said that I still think at risk people - e.g the elderly - should get it.  I'm pretty sure we have a free flu shot for these folk in NZ. Maybe I can send a free one over to Rowlf and Boaty ?

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8 hours ago, Trinity said:

I don't think there can ever be a winner on the flu vaccine stakes. The vaccines themselves are (generally) average in their efficacy and as you highlight they have to pick the strains that they think will do the rounds.  Having said that I still think at risk people - e.g the elderly - should get it.  I'm pretty sure we have a free flu shot for these folk in NZ. Maybe I can send a free one over to Rowlf and Boaty ?

I can't speak for Rowlf, Trinny, but I believe Boaty is okay. I'm sure he would thank you for your concern if he could.

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On 1/20/2018 at 11:34 PM, weeniewinderupper said:

I can't speak for Rowlf, Trinny, but I believe Boaty is okay. I'm sure he would thank you for your concern if he could.

To be fair Rowlf needs a lot more than a little prick. Perhaps they do a flu vaccine suppository ?

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10 hours ago, Trinity said:

To be fair Rowlf needs a lot more Than a little prick

 

Ahhh that’s @weeniewinderupper @luckyme @macboatieface @camel @bloatman @fitfella @Time For Roses Etc etc etc out of luck then :58674c057baa4_EmojiSmiley-69: :58674d5a21ae6_EmojiObjects-216: :58674bddb5b72_EmojiSmiley-01:

10 hours ago, Trinity said:

Perhaps they do a flu vaccine suppository ?

Now there’s a job for his ol’ Bro :58674c057baa4_EmojiSmiley-69::58674d5a21ae6_EmojiObjects-216: he can do for him..... :58674d0480dc0_EmojiObjects-76: 

“Now touch your toes @rowlf  :58674dba34a33_EmojiOrte-74: - you won’t feel a thing!” :58674bddb5b72_EmojiSmiley-01: :58674bf3db8fd_EmojiSmiley-38: :58674bdeceb55_EmojiSmiley-03:

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10 hours ago, Trinity said:

To be fair Rowlf needs a lot more than a little prick. Perhaps they do a flu vaccine suppository ?

I'll bet that would produce a lot of different facial expressions.

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11 minutes ago, weeniewinderupper said:

What do weenie's smell like?

Bloody putrid.

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On ‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 7:08 PM, Trinity said:

To be fair Rowlf needs a lot more than a little prick. Perhaps they do a flu vaccine suppository ?

'little prick'? Is this one of those phrases that have two different meanings?

The suppository sounds interesting. But I've often heard that when violated in this manner, sounds emitting from flatulence change drastically. But this is just what I've always been told.

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