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Why Are Stockings NOT that Popular in America?

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I had a hard time trying to figure out a title, so forgive me if it doesn't completely reflect what I am asking. 

I have noticed that all the beautiful makers of suspender belts and really great stockings are NOT American. I rarely, if EVER see another woman wearing FFs in my daily life. In fact, on the rare occasion that I'm noticed wearing them, it's met with incredulity and usually paired with the comment, "You wear those out of the house??" or "I didn't know you could still buy those", or the like. 

Why is it that people in Europe seem to put much more value and effort into stockings and the fun apparel that hold them up? 

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MrsDzineGuy,

It appears that the porn industry here in the US all but did the American lingerie industry in.  We used to be the world leader in stockings manufacture, both FF and RHT.  We had more Reading machines and parts, and ring machines for rht's.  The last manufacturer of stockings here was Magnolia, and they closed down some years ago. Rumours have been floated that they were going to start back up, but I  wouldn't hold my breath. When the porn industry boomed in the 70's, stockings suddenly became the root of all evil, and stocking wearing mothers had their daughters wearing tights/pantyhose, or <shudder> bare legs.  

Daily stocking wearing ladies here in the US are few and far between. Would any of our UK or European members have and idea why daily stocking and suspender/foundation is by far more prevalent than it is on this side of the pond? 

Eric aka csurgtech

 

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Agree with Eric completely, said on many occasions the sad link between stockings and the adult industry in the form of porn has created a stigma with the whole concept of stockings and suspenders, not with everyone I might hasten to add. Many of my friends refuse to wear stockings on a regular basis as they do associate the wearing of such garments as men pleasing bedroom attire.

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I think that UK/European/Australian/Kiwi people are more able to be looking into the past as to what people wore, so garments like stockings, suspender belts and corsets are worn by ladies that are what I call Retro people.    

 

If you look at many ladies that blog about wearing clothes that are either from the 1940's/1950's or are modern day replicas or versions of such dresses most do seem to come from either the UK, Germany, France, Australia or New Zealand.   

 

There are a few ladies in the US that do wear stockings, such as Rachael Ann Jensen (ChicagoChicBlog) or Jenny Rieu who is originally from Paris.    However, if you look at their websites or Instgram pages they are getting their stockings from companies in the UK or Europe.              

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I've a vague recollection of an article about the slow down in hosiery sales (not just stockings, tights too) in the USA. They said the cause was women spending so much on having the hairs on their legs removed that they didn't want to hide the results. Showing off their bare legs was became fashionable. You only have to look at celebs/models/actors at any big 'do' to see that none of them have anything on their legs. They're the women that the younger generation look up to and as they've been bare legged since, well I blame sex and the city hardly anyone in the public eye of any age wears hosiery of any type anymore. Very rarely do you see anyone famous wearing any hosiery just because they want to. It seems that when you do see snaps of them wearing stockings it's because they want to be seen wearing stockings, does that make sense? In TV shows or movies, they use them as a prop during seduction or plain old sex scenes and I don't mean porn films I mean normal films. It is very rare you'll see a scene with the lady wearing stockings just to finish off an outfit because they're feminine and elegant :(

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Greetings again MrsDzineGuy.

I do wonder should we keep meeting like this... However, your question (quite valid) simply reflects the old adage that nothing is constant except change. What you are party to is just another sign of the (changing) times. This ties in to your other post earlier and another that hold hands and as with much, rare to find simple answers even for simple questions. How this is related to previous posts has in part that long on ago women enjoyed being and in turn feeling more feminine as the foundations industry was huge compared today and that included of course hosiery. Men also enjoyed women more then. As was pointed out those times had their costs and an example I use much has that women were considered fit to be Nurses. secretaries or Teachers. Seldom were women seen outside of the those roles and even less so accepted. The "average" woman would not leave the house without stockings. Another example had that pregnant women were not much seen in public (though that is  kind of hard to hide under most circumstances) and certainly not as accepted as today. So in some respects women have come a long way as consider: smoking (tobacco) was considered sexy once (still is...), even promoted so and now women have the same rates of heart disease and lung cancers as men. This brings another observation. People do a lot what everyone else does because that is how they (we) are programmed from an early age. That is never more true than with fashions.

The fashionistas at some point decided they had disdain for hosiery (I do say hosiery as classic traditional stockings were archaic by this time) which was entirely embraced by women. This situation has been on now for generations and as I say people (guys in particular) can't miss what they never knew and the same holds true with girls who then become women. This is reduced to simple social conditioning. Where once hosiery (especially stockings) were accepted, coveted, cherished they are now eschewed, acceptably so. This to the point that women feel embarrassed to wear such and this is due to societal pressures. To another degree, so the same for "sensuous" underwear (and I shall be definite here in that i do not consider thongs sensuous which puts me at odds with more than a few) though then again, I am "old school." With today's dress codes, casual is soooooo in to the point that it borders on slobbery. That extends to guys as well.

Another has that since my earliest I do recall  my mother and sisters (along with their friends) would express that they were "bothered" having to wear stockings but did so because that's what was back when. I was party to these conversations and observations because people around kids do not think they are self aware, at least much and I was younger than my sisters and got to hear, see and witness lots. Back in the miniskirt 60's when not all could afford those new "I want to have" pantyhose/tights" (they were initially very expensive) there were still plenty to wear traditional garb (girdles and stockings- I never knew any girl or woman that wore a garter belt in fact never saw one expect in pics) and expressed what a pain in the ass they were. However, so accepted and ingrained that these were still worn under what was to become most accepted- pants and especially jeans (later pantyhose/tights) until just a few decades ago.       

As to the "porn" connection, that holds truck but is also way overblown and a convenient and nice excuse. So ingrained are the connotations that any to dare wear classic stockings risk (at least in mind) being associated as cheap, easy, slutty, tarty and/or _____________(fill in the blank.) And yes, a lot has to do with the media which as I've said is an amazing cauldron of inaccuracy, far removed from any vestige of reality, whether typical fare and especially porn which is the epitome of unreality. Couple that with the stigma of any women to wear hosiery and the perceptions are amplified. There is another related aspect as not long ago and still to degrees it is entirely acceptable to allow bra straps to be seen and sometimes entirely more. Perish that ANY gal be seen with a garter/suspender bump or gosh strap, her life as she knew it might be over. Of course this applies to the average follow the crowd non independent thinking sorts of which there shall never be shortages...

Let me ask an off the wall one: does anyone here know anybody to dress up just because? By that I'll try and make example. Most of us, particularly those "younger" and still in the dating mode, perhaps in quest so to say go to great lengths to attract and no where more than with fashions and related styles. How many (outside of our group which are NOT reflective of the "average") would don hosiery with a moderately above the knee hemline or fellows to wear a suit and tie with the proceeding ideas in mind, that is to catch a potential catch? Most guys think taking a shower and wearing a clean shirt will have gals swoon and that is somewhat similar for the fairer sex though most women will invest considerably more in that venture as women spend considerably more time in front of a mirror and observe other women with more scrutiny.  

So though there are no simple answers the main one has that the rare the woman who dares to wear hosiery without an absolute reason is such a standout as to feel very out. Most of us at some point have felt out of place when in a place where we were overdressed and in turn causes stress. With the way people feel today that sort of stress is entirely unacceptable where as one of those hand held devices crashing entirely is. Logical? Hardly but how logical is Life anyway.

Hope this provides thought fodder.

Regards,

Dworkin  

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11 hours ago, csurgtech said:

MrsDzineGuy,

It appears that the porn industry here in the US all but did the American lingerie industry in.  We used to be the world leader in stockings manufacture, both FF and RHT.  We had more Reading machines and parts, and ring machines for rht's. 

I had no idea about this, and the connection to the porn industry. Perhaps that's why so many people equate stocking wearing with sex. 

The last manufacturer of stockings here was Magnolia, and they closed down some years ago. Rumours have been floated that they were going to start back up, but I  wouldn't hold my breath.

MrDZ purchased some stockings for me from Magnolia and I vaguely remember him waiting forever and a day for them to come, and I think a few pairs came, but they just never fulfilled the rest of the order. There was some row about it too, right? 

When the porn industry boomed in the 70's, stockings suddenly became the root of all evil, and stocking wearing mothers had their daughters wearing tights/pantyhose, or <shudder> bare legs.  

My mom never even mentioned to me that there were such things as stockings, but she DID insist that when we dressed up, we wear slips and panty hose under our dresses. She was adamant about that, so she was still in the mindset that we needed to wear hose, but she was out of the stocking mindset.

Daily stocking wearing ladies here in the US are few and far between.

I would agree. I would also say that it's very much tied to "sexy" wear...and when other women see you wearing them, they do wonder. 

Would any of our UK or European members have and idea why daily stocking and suspender/foundation is by far more prevalent than it is on this side of the pond? 

Yep, thus my question. :)

Eric aka csurgtech

 

 

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10 hours ago, JnL said:

Agree with Eric completely, said on many occasions the sad link between stockings and the adult industry in the form of porn has created a stigma with the whole concept of stockings and suspenders, not with everyone I might hasten to add. Many of my friends refuse to wear stockings on a regular basis as they do associate the wearing of such garments as men pleasing bedroom attire.

I felt that way for a long time. Add fish net stockings and you were ready to walk the streets. LOL I realize my error now. 

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15 hours ago, Robbies said:

I think that UK/European/Australian/Kiwi people are more able to be looking into the past as to what people wore, so garments like stockings, suspender belts and corsets are worn by ladies that are what I call Retro people.    

Yeah, the only "retro" people I ever see/saw wearing stockings were the Rockabilly girls and sometimes the punks. 

If you look at many ladies that blog about wearing clothes that are either from the 1940's/1950's or are modern day replicas or versions of such dresses most do seem to come from either the UK, Germany, France, Australia or New Zealand.   

I have been trying to find true, authentic, retro dresses and clothes, and the ones I find that aren't like costumes are all outside of the US. One lady in particular was in New Zealand - and her prices were over 250.00 for one dress! I can find cheap knock offs, but very few will make  or have plus size. I am almost to the point of making my own. 

There are a few ladies in the US that do wear stockings, such as Rachael Ann Jensen (ChicagoChicBlog) or Jenny Rieu who is originally from Paris.    However, if you look at their websites or Instgram pages they are getting their stockings from companies in the UK or Europe.  

That's what made me wonder about it - WHY have they all but died here in the US except for sex accoutrements...and now I have part of my answer and it did surprise me: The porn industry. Another reason to not like it. :58674bf215e1b_EmojiSmiley-35:           

 

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10 hours ago, stkg_luvr said:

I've a vague recollection of an article about the slow down in hosiery sales (not just stockings, tights too) in the USA. They said the cause was women spending so much on having the hairs on their legs removed that they didn't want to hide the results. Showing off their bare legs was became fashionable.

Hm, that's interesting! Bare legs is definitely the "in" way to go right now. It's a very rare occasion to see a hose wearing female on the street let alone one wearing FF stockings. I do get many looks from both sexes when I wear them. 

You only have to look at celebs/models/actors at any big 'do' to see that none of them have anything on their legs.

That's true - even at the Emmys or Oscars! Then you get Madonna from the 80's wearing them and lingerie and making them seem slutty.

They're the women that the younger generation look up to and as they've been bare legged since, well I blame sex and the city hardly anyone in the public eye of any age wears hosiery of any type anymore.

I never watched "Sex and the City" so I don't know the reference, but I can guess from what I do know about it. It's a very feminist thing to eschew stockings - those instruments of torture by men who want to change us. I posit that radical feminism has a part to play in the demise of stockings, but I don't have any evidence to back that one up.  

Very rarely do you see anyone famous wearing any hosiery just because they want to. It seems that when you do see snaps of them wearing stockings it's because they want to be seen wearing stockings, does that make sense?

Yes, it does. My daughter listens to popular music (barf...today's celebrity is so crude and base..) and one of the bands she likes is an all girl band. There was a picture of one of them wearing ripped black stockings. What a travesty!

In TV shows or movies, they use them as a prop during seduction or plain old sex scenes and I don't mean porn films I mean normal films. It is very rare you'll see a scene with the lady wearing stockings just to finish off an outfit because they're feminine and elegant :(

That's very true, unless it's a period piece like "ManhAttan" (set in the 40's). 

 

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5 hours ago, Dworkin said:

Greetings again MrsDzineGuy.

I do wonder should we keep meeting like this... However, your question (quite valid) simply reflects the old adage that nothing is constant except change.

Isn't that a life truth?? LOL

What you are party to is just another sign of the (changing) times. This ties in to your other post earlier and another that hold hands and as with much, rare to find simple answers even for simple questions.

I agree - but we just keep trying to find simple answers to things, don't we? I am insatiably curious and love to ask that "why" question. I suspect that it's somewhat irritating sometimes to others because sometimes there just aren't any easy answers. It's fun getting to the bottom of things for me though, so I keep discussing/asking. LOL

How this is related to previous posts has in part that long on ago women enjoyed being and in turn feeling more feminine as the foundations industry was huge compared today and that included of course hosiery.

Oh yes, I totally agree with this! You can tell that it was a different mind set just by looking at some of the advertising around stockings and lingerie. MrDZ and I are putting together a little blog about Vintage life and things and in looking for some images, I came across so many that really spoke to a lifestyle and mindset around the glamour of stockings and foundations. 

Like the image I linked at the bottom of my post: Isn't that just dripping of glamour and femininity?? 

Men also enjoyed women more then. As was pointed out those times had their costs and an example I use much has that women were considered fit to be Nurses. secretaries or Teachers. Seldom were women seen outside of the those roles and even less so accepted.The "average" woman would not leave the house without stockings.

I was born in the 60's, so I saw little of that, but I do know it existed. I was a teen in the 80's...long after feminism wreaked havoc on the relationship between the sexes.

Another example had that pregnant women were not much seen in public (though that is  kind of hard to hide under most circumstances) and certainly not as accepted as today.

Yeah, true that! I see some women walking around wearing spandex and belly baring styles and I wonder if they look in the mirror? Being pregnant is beautiful and so feminine, but I think dressing the part and covering up a bit is in order. That's just my opinion. 

So in some respects women have come a long way as consider: smoking (tobacco) was considered sexy once (still is...), even promoted so and now women have the same rates of heart disease and lung cancers as men.

It's funny - I've NEVER seen smoking as sexy or attractive in the least on either sex. Maybe because I was born after the Surgeon General's report about it's cancer causing ability. LOL

This brings another observation. People do a lot what everyone else does because that is how they (we) are programmed from an early age. That is never more true than with fashions. 

Very true!! (And I don't know what I did to split your comments into two sections, but I did!!!  LOL)

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The fashionistas at some point decided they had disdain for hosiery (I do say hosiery as classic traditional stockings were archaic by this time) which was entirely embraced by women. This situation has been on now for generations and as I say people (guys in particular) can't miss what they never knew and the same holds true with girls who then become women. This is reduced to simple social conditioning.

I can say that my Mom certainly felt that way. She grew up HAVING to wear girdles, foundations, and stockings, and the minute she could throw those away, she did and never looked back. She HATED them. I remember her telling me that they were too constricting and hot and sticky to wear. I'm sure that colored my feelings about them. The only women I knew who wore foundations were fat or over 60 - thus cementing my feelings that they were not sexy. Thank God for MrDZ!! LOL

Where once hosiery (especially stockings) were accepted, coveted, cherished they are now eschewed, acceptably so. This to the point that women feel embarrassed to wear such and this is due to societal pressures.

Yes, yes, and yes. I think one of my issues had to do with the fact that they were not only "fuddy duddy", but tied to sex as well - a double whammy that made me so self conscious to even THINK of wearing them out in public. 

To another degree, so the same for "sensuous" underwear (and I shall be definite here in that i do not consider thongs sensuous which puts me at odds with more than a few) though then again, I am "old school."

I have never been, nor do I think I ever will think thongs as sexy. They are a necessary evil at times, but "butt floss" and I don't get along so well. I'd rather go commando if panty lines are a problem.

With today's dress codes, casual is soooooo in to the point that it borders on slobbery. That extends to guys as well.

Yes, and plain laziness to take the time to clean up. And yes, I have been guilty of this as well. <hangs head in shame>.

Another has that since my earliest I do recall  my mother and sisters (along with their friends) would express that they were "bothered" having to wear stockings but did so because that's what was back when.

I'm too young to remember my mom wearing them, but I do remember her absolute JOY at not having to wear them anymore. My sister was a child of the 70's...I don't think I EVER saw her in anything but bell bottom jeans or short mini dresses with bare legs. 

I was party to these conversations and observations because people around kids do not think they are self aware, at least much and I was younger than my sisters and got to hear, see and witness lots.

It's amazing how much even little kids pick up. We would do a better parenting service to them to watch out a little about what they see/hear too early. Conditioning is very easy to do and very strong at young ages - and at the dawn of puberty.

Back in the miniskirt 60's when not all could afford those new "I want to have" pantyhose/tights" (they were initially very expensive) there were still plenty to wear traditional garb (girdles and stockings- I never knew any girl or woman that wore a garter belt in fact never saw one expect in pics) and expressed what a pain in the ass they were. However, so accepted and ingrained that these were still worn under what was to become most accepted- pants and especially jeans (later pantyhose/tights) until just a few decades ago.   

Did women wear them under pants?  How? I tried once and it was SOO uncomfortable!  

As to the "porn" connection, that holds truck but is also way overblown and a convenient and nice excuse. So ingrained are the connotations that any to dare wear classic stockings risk (at least in mind) being associated as cheap, easy, slutty, tarty and/or _____________(fill in the blank.) And yes, a lot has to do with the media which as I've said is an amazing cauldron of inaccuracy, far removed from any vestige of reality, whether typical fare and especially porn which is the epitome of unreality. Couple that with the stigma of any women to wear hosiery and the perceptions are amplified.

I fully admit that I have in the past fallen into this mindset, and I know a lot of women do as well. Try living in a very conservative group of women and having them see a garter bump or FF seam...I suspect I have a scarlet letter with a few of them who think I must be a loose woman to wear such things. Sigh...

There is another related aspect as not long ago and still to degrees it is entirely acceptable to allow bra straps to be seen and sometimes entirely more. Perish that ANY gal be seen with a garter/suspender bump or gosh strap, her life as she knew it might be over. Of course this applies to the average follow the crowd non independent thinking sorts of which there shall never be shortages...

Oh, this drives me BATTY - and our daughter does this too. I think bra straps should be contained within the clothes you wear - otherwise it's just sloppy. Pet peeve of mine that gets bothered daily. 

Let me ask an off the wall one: does anyone here know anybody to dress up just because?

No. I think I'm the only one in my group of people I hang around with. I didn't used to. I had the idea that if I wasn't going out of the house today, why should I?? I didn't realize the connection for me that if I got up and dressed for the day, my day went better. It's so easy to stay in PJ's all day when you know you won't be going out of the house. As a SAHM  and Homeschooling Mom, I had many of those kind of days. No more. I'm ha pay to be a 50s gal - dressed and ready for the day regardless of if I go out or not anymore. 

By that I'll try and make example. Most of us, particularly those "younger" and still in the dating mode, perhaps in quest so to say go to great lengths to attract and no where more than with fashions and related styles. How many (outside of our group which are NOT reflective of the "average") would don hosiery with a moderately above the knee hemline or fellows to wear a suit and tie with the proceeding ideas in mind, that is to catch a potential catch?

I think people "clean up" a bit more, but they don't dress up unless they're going out - and then hosiery is still a no. LOL

Most guys think taking a shower and wearing a clean shirt will have gals swoon and that is somewhat similar for the fairer sex though most women will invest considerably more in that venture as women spend considerably more time in front of a mirror and observe other women with more scrutiny.  

Yep. Other women are the WORST!!!! 

So though there are no simple answers the main one has that the rare the woman who dares to wear hosiery without an absolute reason is such a standout as to feel very out. Most of us at some point have felt out of place when in a place where we were overdressed and in turn causes stress. With the way people feel today that sort of stress is entirely unacceptable where as one of those hand held devices crashing entirely is. Logical? Hardly but how logical is Life anyway.

People just do not want to bother anymore. There is another component to this, I think, and I'll add it below your comments! Thank you so much for a most enjoyable and informative "conversation"!! 

Hope this provides thought fodder.

Regards,

Dworkin  

Ok, my thought after reading your post: 

I think there is an additional component, and it may be uniquely American, so I will apologize of my "generalizations" of society don't apply. As I have not been in England, I can't speak for society there. 

People today are very self involved and so concerned with "my rights, thoughts, and feelings" that they are conditioned to do only that which pleases themselves. "Dressing up" is seen as a "put on by society" kind of thing, and they want nothing of it.  How DARE you tell me I shouldn't show my belly? How DARE you tell me I should dress "more feminine". How DARE you define who I am? How DARE you tell me my mohawk looks silly??

We are so concerned with being unique and doing our own thing that we wind up being just the same version of each other. We are the Borg - part of the collective and don't even know it. When one dares to break out of the mold and, oh, I don't know, say that we are women and we WANT to dress in traditionally female clothing - we are looked at like the devil reincarnated.

Where fashion and glamour are concerned, I'm Apple Computers - "Think Different". 

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I Blame Today,s Women,s Lib Situation Here at America.   Also I Blame The Fact That a Majority of Today,s American Women Want to Be and To Dress More Like Men Than Women.       Also They Are Too Lazy to dress My Way with The Skirt and Nylons.     Also At my Neck of The Woods ( The Rural Part of The U.S.A.) The ( The Local American Women Here at The Rural Parts of America.)   Have to work at The Farms, The Factories and Drive The Semi Trucks as well. So Therefore They Have to Wear The Yucky Work trousers for Those Menual Jobs.

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Here in Australia stockings and suspenders are very rarely worn as far as I can tell. If they are it is usually as a bedroom prop. Most of the lingerie stores seem to only sell the variety that appeals to the bedroom rather than anything of a practical nature. I think the warmer climate may have something to do with it too. Although, pantyhose & opaque tights do seem to be worn in the southern parts of Australia.

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Hi yet again MrsDzineGuy.

Thank You for your accolades. Your curios mind makes me think you might have some Scorpio and/or Virgo in you (should you believe in such, otherwise disregard this.) Another aspect I naturally thought about after the fact (part of that having 20-20 hindsight) has that the rest of the civilised world (like Europeans and especially the Scandinavians) find "American" (think Yanks) sexualism mores laughable. Topics written about this has that they want to roll the bones just before they go to sleep so they can get over some guilt trip. Yup, for some reason though"sex" is all over it still has an embarrassment factor. I have encountered so many parents that thought their kids had no idea they were "doing it." Folks, some newz- kids know LOTS and they know everything that is in your drawers. I never had kids that lived (probably a good thing as I'd probably have been locked up which is kind of ironic since most kids like me. I simply treat them as people, not kids and as a few know I've extended the warranty on my childhood.) 

Sex in "America" is still touchy. I say "America as there are many of them, extending from the Arctic Circle to the Maldives in South America. Like you I do try to educate. The relation between this and the association with stockings and the like has women spend a great amount to get people (especially guys) to look at them and become coy or even offended when there is a response. I am not talking about the proto-human  male but the more "average" sorts and there are still more than a few men  who would like to see a leg clad in that wispy material. Some members have been on here awhile and as things come and go there have been many aplenty to lament their girlfriends/wives have 0.0 interest in stockings and related attire for reasons already placed. Yet they wonder why occasionally their guy has a roving eye. There have also been a few lassies here to express their fellow to have no interest which is more rare so it works both ways.

I LOVE the Borg reference. I should let you know I speak Klingon which to many sounds like a drunk Russian so I'm halfway there though most times I'm just not drunk. With any large assemblage of people just about anywhere were you to make people invisible the attire worn would quickly be seen to fall into easy, predicable groupings. As I do, like to say, yes, you too can be unique, like everyone else. The true individual is becoming as rare as one with common sense, another endangered trait.

Love, great observations and glad you made this place a place to hang out. Your input is sheer enrichment.

So, in Klingon,

Qapla!

Best,

Dworkin       

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3 hours ago, Dworkin said:

Hi yet again MrsDzineGuy.

Thank You for your accolades. Your curios mind makes me think you might have some Scorpio and/or Virgo in you (should you believe in such, otherwise disregard this.) Another aspect I naturally thought about after the fact (part of that having 20-20 hindsight) has that the rest of the civilised world (like Europeans and especially the Scandinavians) find "American" (think Yanks) sexualism mores laughable. Topics written about this has that they want to roll the bones just before they go to sleep so they can get over some guilt trip. Yup, for some reason though"sex" is all over it still has an embarrassment factor. I have encountered so many parents that thought their kids had no idea they were "doing it." Folks, some newz- kids know LOTS and they know everything that is in your drawers. I never had kids that lived (probably a good thing as I'd probably have been locked up which is kind of ironic since most kids like me. I simply treat them as people, not kids and as a few know I've extended the warranty on my childhood.) 

Sex in "America" is still touchy. I say "America as there are many of them, extending from the Arctic Circle to the Maldives in South America. Like you I do try to educate. The relation between this and the association with stockings and the like has women spend a great amount to get people (especially guys) to look at them and become coy or even offended when there is a response. I am not talking about the proto-human  male but the more "average" sorts and there are still more than a few men  who would like to see a leg clad in that wispy material. Some members have been on here awhile and as things come and go there have been many aplenty to lament their girlfriends/wives have 0.0 interest in stockings and related attire for reasons already placed. Yet they wonder why occasionally their guy has a roving eye. There have also been a few lassies here to express their fellow to have no interest which is more rare so it works both ways.

I LOVE the Borg reference. I should let you know I speak Klingon which to many sounds like a drunk Russian so I'm halfway there though most times I'm just not drunk. With any large assemblage of people just about anywhere were you to make people invisible the attire worn would quickly be seen to fall into easy, predicable groupings. As I do, like to say, yes, you too can be unique, like everyone else. The true individual is becoming as rare as one with common sense, another endangered trait.

Love, great observations and glad you made this place a place to hang out. Your input is sheer enrichment.

So, in Klingon,

Qapla!

Best,

Dworkin       

Ha ha - priceless! MrDZ says at night when he finds no scorpions to kill, "My batleth will not taste blood tonight!!!!!"I will comment on the rest later when I have a full sized keyboard! 

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11 hours ago, Dworkin said:

Hi yet again MrsDzineGuy.

Thank You for your accolades. Your curious mind makes me think you might have some Scorpio and/or Virgo in you (should you believe in such, otherwise disregard this.)

Nope - just a mercurial Gemini! ;

Another aspect I naturally thought about after the fact (part of that having 20-20 hindsight) has that the rest of the civilised world (like Europeans and especially the Scandinavians) find "American" (think Yanks) sexualism mores laughable. Topics written about this has that they want to roll the bones just before they go to sleep so they can get over some guilt trip. Yup, for some reason though"sex" is all over it still has an embarrassment factor.

Yes, I find that peculiar as well. For as "sex obsessed" as we are as a nation, we sure have a lot of hang ups about it and double standards abound. "Do it, do it, do it!!" and then when you do it's "Slut...she deserves what she gets". It's crazy.

I have encountered so many parents that thought their kids had no idea they were "doing it." Folks, some newz- kids know LOTS and they know everything that is in your drawers. I never had kids that lived (probably a good thing as I'd probably have been locked up which is kind of ironic since most kids like me. I simply treat them as people, not kids and as a few know I've extended the warranty on my childhood.) 

Kids like me too, and I think it's because I am able to get joy out of the things they are interested in, and I let them know I am interested in what they have to say. I rarely however turn to a "friend" - that's just embarrassing. 

Sex in "America" is still touchy. I say "America as there are many of them, extending from the Arctic Circle to the Maldives in South America. Like you I do try to educate. The relation between this and the association with stockings and the like has women spend a great amount to get people (especially guys) to look at them and become coy or even offended when there is a response.

Oh my - that is SO TRUE!!!! The little starlets scream "Look at me, look at me!!" and then when the poor bloke does, it's "SEXUAL HARASSMENT - HE LOOKED AT ME!!!!" It's maddening. We are so screwed up here!

I am not talking about the proto-human  male but the more "average" sorts and there are still more than a few men  who would like to see a leg clad in that wispy material.

Yes, I agree. It's funny, since I started wearing stockings I have gotten more male looks and I honestly don't know if it's the stockings or that I am more confident. Maybe both...

Some members have been on here awhile and as things come and go there have been many aplenty to lament their girlfriends/wives have 0.0 interest in stockings and related attire for reasons already placed. Yet they wonder why occasionally their guy has a roving eye. There have also been a few lassies here to express their fellow to have no interest which is more rare so it works both ways.

I sorta resemble that remark in the past. I was never opposed to them, just daily wear. I have one happy Mr. DZ, I can tell you that! :) 

I LOVE the Borg reference. I should let you know I speak Klingon which to many sounds like a drunk Russian so I'm halfway there though most times I'm just not drunk. 

That's so cool!! We use "Nepah"(spelling??) instead of Deja Vu - pretty much the only Klingon I remember. LOL We are Star Trek/Star Wars geeks.

With any large assemblage of people just about anywhere were you to make people invisible the attire worn would quickly be seen to fall into easy, predicable groupings. As I do, like to say, yes, you too can be unique, like everyone else. The true individual is becoming as rare as one with common sense, another endangered trait.

Oh gosh yes! Common sense isn't so common anymore. It's sad. 

Love, great observations and glad you made this place a place to hang out. Your input is sheer enrichment.

Thank you so much. It's nice to run across a person who loves to discuss things in depth. It doesn't happen often anymore! 

So, in Klingon,

Qapla!

Best,

Dworkin       

 

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In talking to MrDZ about the Magnolia incident, he reminded me that a prominent US company bought the Reading Machine and would begin producing stockings with it.  I wonder if the vintage quality would be there of not. Is the raw material nylon they use now as luxurious? 

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MrsDzineGuy.

Nice news that should a real Reading spinner be so. Quite an outlay though should one have deep pockets the demand for product appears to be that in time the returns will cover the costs. I do not know if this to be the same Magnolia company to produce rubber gloves which is enough common a name. As to the fabric yarns my limited data bank may allow this: with FF's in the traditional style, that is as plain flat knits, the fibers used are still most available. Back when I recall seeing a very few FF's in micro mesh weave and stress exceptionally few and whether these were classic traditional FF's or some knock off mock ups I do not know. Micro mesh hosiery does not hold the appeal of plain flat knits but do have advantages as they were more durable overall, snag resistant yielding a longer wearing life and far more popular among younger gals back when (think teens and young women) for which particularly with girls were a better fit to their life style as they by nature were less careful with these delicates. Plus, they were far more cost effective. The first pantyhose introduced by Glen Raven back in the late 1950's and marketed by Sears were of micro mesh. They were a flop for a few reasons- poor fit, scratchy and as hemlines were well below the knee there was seen little need. That all changed less than a decade latter with the mini. The second generation of pantyhose/tights were also in micro mesh weave and sported RHT's early on which all changed rather quick on. Those early examples (plus the first) command respectable prices on certain sites and I've never seen samples of the originals. I do know that micro mesh stockings are no longer cost effective to produce as the yarns for reasons I am not able to explain are considerably more expensive to produce than plain flat knit yarns and I may be way off here but micro mesh fibers were once used in carpets. As a result, micro mesh stockings should only increase in value over time as they have not been made in decades and presumably never will be again.  

Two of our esteemed members who know infinitely more than I may care to chime in, Karen and Nikki both whom I consider to be experts and I stand to be corrected for any misinfo imparted. Also, I mean not to put them on the spot so to say, it is simply the vastness of their knowledge is well past mine.  

Hope this helps.

Tipples,

Dworkin

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14 hours ago, Dworkin said:

MrsDzineGuy.

Nice news that should a real Reading spinner be so. Quite an outlay though should one have deep pockets the demand for product appears to be that in time the returns will cover the costs. I do not know if this to be the same Magnolia company to produce rubber gloves which is enough common a name. As to the fabric yarns my limited data bank may allow this: with FF's in the traditional style, that is as plain flat knits, the fibers used are still most available. Back when I recall seeing a very few FF's in micro mesh weave and stress exceptionally few and whether these were classic traditional FF's or some knock off mock ups I do not know. Micro mesh hosiery does not hold the appeal of plain flat knits but do have advantages as they were more durable overall, snag resistant yielding a longer wearing life and far more popular among younger gals back when (think teens and young women) for which particularly with girls were a better fit to their life style as they by nature were less careful with these delicates. Plus, they were far more cost effective. The first pantyhose introduced by Glen Raven back in the late 1950's and marketed by Sears were of micro mesh. They were a flop for a few reasons- poor fit, scratchy and as hemlines were well below the knee there was seen little need. That all changed less than a decade latter with the mini. The second generation of pantyhose/tights were also in micro mesh weave and sported RHT's early on which all changed rather quick on. Those early examples (plus the first) command respectable prices on certain sites and I've never seen samples of the originals. I do know that micro mesh stockings are no longer cost effective to produce as the yarns for reasons I am not able to explain are considerably more expensive to produce than plain flat knit yarns and I may be way off here but micro mesh fibers were once used in carpets. As a result, micro mesh stockings should only increase in value over time as they have not been made in decades and presumably never will be again.  

Two of our esteemed members who know infinitely more than I may care to chime in, Karen and Nikki both whom I consider to be experts and I stand to be corrected for any misinfo imparted. Also, I mean not to put them on the spot so to say, it is simply the vastness of their knowledge is well past mine.  

Hope this helps.

Tipples,

Dworkin

Thank you for all the great information!! I never really knew there were different kinds of nylons! I am not big on micromesh myself. They don't seem to be as silky. 

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In A Nutshell, The age of "Class" is mostly gone and many females find it easier to stay stuck on stupid.

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Present company excluded of course 

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1 hour ago, HanesBaby-CSB said:

In A Nutshell, The age of "Class" is mostly gone and many females find it easier to stay stuck on stupid.

Well, that's a true mouthful! LOL

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Greetings there All.

Never has been and never will be a shortage of stupid. With the pursuit to be different most emulate everyone else and freak out about someone who is truly different (within reasons.) There are several exceptions to that in and around Ann Arbor, reasons that is. 

I did care to add another reason concerning the stigma about hosiery in general and "porn" and the related connotations which I neglected to mention earlier. Many equate hosiery, particularly stockings to cheap street type hookers and low end prostitutes. The common myth has that is what they wear. A myth as the typical street walker has a simple agenda- as much as possible as fast as possible. That means not uncommon a car seat or the like. Pantyhose/tights would get in the way and consume time valuable to deal with. Plus, as the act is generally rather quick and with little regard to gentleness, any hosiery unless the heavy duty stuff would suffer, hence such garments are not well suited for the role. Too many have the idea hookers and hosiery are related, just another example of stupid and that any excuse not to wear any form of legwear will do. Amazing that "Americans" are still hanging on to hangups even behind closed doors...

And,

On 5/4/2017 at 11:37 PM, MrsDzineGuy said:

I never really knew there were different kinds of nylons! I am not big on micromesh myself. They don't seem to be as silky. 

Mesh and plain flat knits are different in the weave. Plain flat knits are as a "square" knit weave whereas mesh knits are like an "X" type knit which gives them the superior snag resistance, strength and wearing qualities at the cost of the tactile sensation. And they use different yarns which as stated, mesh fibers are no longer available. Nothing beats PFK's but mesh holds the edge in longevity as many a dancer and porn corn  artist  from decades ago would attest. Back when topless gals actually wore nylon stockings as did gals in skin flickss they were more "in" back when. 

I'll agree with Susan, Class has been replaced with Trash. Sad sign of the times but as said, folks can't and won't miss what they never had and certainly are not about to invest the efforts to discover what they never knew as Hell, there is not an app for that...

Best,

Dworkin     

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On 5/11/2017 at 2:25 PM, Dworkin said:

I'll agree with Susan, Class has been replaced with Trash. Sad sign of the times but as said, folks can't and won't miss what they never had and certainly are not about to invest the efforts to discover what they never knew as Hell, there is not an app for that...

Truer words have never been spoken. I saw a photo of a young starlet wearing stockings, yet they were all laddered and run and it just made me so sad. They are just seen as "just rumpled from bed" kind of wear, and that's just not true. 

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I suppose the surge of the porn industry did influence the decline of stockings, but that can't be all of it.  After all, in the era when a woman would not leave the house without stockings, all women diligently hid their stocking tops, garter straps and bare thighs.   They didn't flaunt them as does the pawn industry.  On the all too rare occasions this side of the pond, a woman wearing stockings most certainly IS noticed and admired.  Maybe today's busy women just don't have the time or don't want to be bothered to put on a girdle or garterbelt, pull up her stockings and fasten her garters. 

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Following up mine of Sunday.  In the 60s as skirts got shorter and shorter, stockings got longer and longer, the welts became very narrow, and the garters were set higher and higher  in the effort to keep stocking tops hidden.  Sadly, pantyhose finally took over.  I recall many women remarking how they detested pantyhose because they were so uncomfortable, but still wore them to stay in style.  Finally, women had enough   and shed their pantyhose.  Sadly, they did not return to stockings.  In  fact, many younger women had never worn stockings in their life, only pantyhose. 

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Hi Angie2.

The Porn reason thing is like everything else, an excuse. As you made note, pantyhose/tights were worn to stay in style. There was little thinking involved, it just was much as much is today. I'll ask: how many started smoking because everyone else did? And now, how many now sport tattoos? Just another reflection of doing what is "in" without regard to forethought. Your last sentence in your last post has truck though there are many who have never worn any hosiery- it is an alien concept. We are of a different art and the mundanes, the "Normals" view us as akin to proto humans, un evolved (or retro evolved) unusual Lifeforms. After all, as I say enough, gosh, it's not in an app. and therefore has no application. And indeed such does not. Hosiery is not part of anything current in fashion except perhaps as an excuse not to wear them as it might be associated with porn...  

Best, 

Dworkin

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Secrets in Lace bought the knitting machines from Magnolia Hosiery and restarted the production of FF stockings in America. They are sold by Secrets in Lace.. They are sold as Vintage Euro heels and use the original yarn and knitting machines. These stockings are said to duplicate the feel and look of true vintage stockings from the 1950's.

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5 hours ago, Moby3 said:

Secrets in Lace bought the machinery from Magnolia Stockings. They are up and running. The stockings are made in the USA but are sold by Secrets in Lace. They claim to be exactly the same stockings that Magnolia used to make. They use the original machines and yarn, which is different in feel and texture. More like true vintage. If you look at Secrets in Lace They are the FF Euro Vintage stockings. Right now they are only available in black.

You typed this all in strike out. Does that mean it's not true? 

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For some unknown reason sometimes it happens when I post here.

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American women have listened to the fashionistas who have them believing bare legs are sexier.  If only they would realize legs hold up so well as a woman ages...they should capitalize on their legs attractiveness and present them in lovely hosiery (preferably stockings).  Also, flaws like large pores, scars, and spider veins all fade when covered properly with nylon.  If only icons like Susan, could convince US women they would stand out of the pack if hosed.  So, American men must continue to look to Europe for ultra feminine, elegant women who dress to the nines in stockings. 

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1 hour ago, Moby3 said:

For some unknown reason sometimes it happens when I post here.

How strange!!!!

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On 5/2/2017 at 10:44 AM, stkg_luvr said:

I've a vague recollection of an article about the slow down in hosiery sales (not just stockings, tights too) in the USA. They said the cause was women spending so much on having the hairs on their legs removed that they didn't want to hide the results. Showing off their bare legs was became fashionable. You only have to look at celebs/models/actors at any big 'do' to see that none of them have anything on their legs. They're the women that the younger generation look up to and as they've been bare legged since, well I blame sex and the city hardly anyone in the public eye of any age wears hosiery of any type anymore. Very rarely do you see anyone famous wearing any hosiery just because they want to. It seems that when you do see snaps of them wearing stockings it's because they want to be seen wearing stockings, does that make sense? In TV shows or movies, they use them as a prop during seduction or plain old sex scenes and I don't mean porn films I mean normal films. It is very rare you'll see a scene with the lady wearing stockings just to finish off an outfit because they're feminine and elegant :(

Well-written. You are so right!

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Heres my two thoughts, pence / cents / euros / pounds / dollars / yen :D lol on the subject MDG et al on here.

Only females you would see stateside in hosiery fall into the following categories :)

1- Flight attendants (for those that have not fallen into wearing trousers a lot ),  and especially those from our side of the pond like Virgin Atlantic, BA, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa who fly to all major cities in the states.

2) The military - USAF, USN, USMC, USCG, US Army

3) Businesswomen especially those on stands during exhibitions - case in point my annual helicopter convention stateside and when they come over to the likes of Farnborough Airshow and Paris Airshow etc (have seen fishnets and pumps on one American lady exhibting with a major helicopter manufacturer at Farnborough).

4) Rock pop / musicians likes of Christina Aguilera, Britney, to likes of gothic metal bands...

A decade ago I was in Houston for the first time and wandered through the Galleria shopping mall ....kid you not, there were at least 3 to 5 lingerie stores on the 2nd or 3rd floor. One of which was Victoria's Secrets. There were also two elegant blonde lasses in stilletos, one had a black dress , flesh nylons, and the other a nice knee length dress, heels and black hosiery walking around at 9 am in the mall. I thought hang on a sec a wee bit early to be dressed like that.

cheers

 

 

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i attribute it mainly to laziness and low expectations on the part of institutions where women always dressed up. work, school, church. when i was in high school all girls had to wear skirts or dresses. and it was expected in church. actually that was my husband's only incentive to attend church with me. styles have certainly changed and boots and tight jeans or leggings are the rule around here now.

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I once dated a lovely lady when I worked and lived in Michigan.

Whilst she would wear the loveliest of lingerie with suspenders and stockings when in the boudoir or at dinner,
She would never wear them during the daytime or at work even under a dress or skirt.
So whatever she wore when out shopping, at work or with friends or family,
be it dress or trousers then tights were de rigour, and never stockings.

Maybe there is a certain conservatism in dress with ladies in America that is not so prevalent here in the UK,
not that wearing stockings is very common here, but those that wear are often very bold in showing their lovely legs and hose!

NylonBil  

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On 2/6/2018 at 1:41 PM, Colibri said:

Heres my two thoughts, pence / cents / euros / pounds / dollars / yen :D lol on the subject MDG et al on here.

Only females you would see stateside in hosiery fall into the following categories :)

1- Flight attendants (for those that have not fallen into wearing trousers a lot ),  and especially those from our side of the pond like Virgin Atlantic, BA, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa who fly to all major cities in the states.

2) The military - USAF, USN, USMC, USCG, US Army

3) Businesswomen especially those on stands during exhibitions - case in point my annual helicopter convention stateside and when they come over to the likes of Farnborough Airshow and Paris Airshow etc (have seen fishnets and pumps on one American lady exhibting with a major helicopter manufacturer at Farnborough).

4) Rock pop / musicians likes of Christina Aguilera, Britney, to likes of gothic metal bands...

A decade ago I was in Houston for the first time and wandered through the Galleria shopping mall ....kid you not, there were at least 3 to 5 lingerie stores on the 2nd or 3rd floor. One of which was Victoria's Secrets. There were also two elegant blonde lasses in stilletos, one had a black dress , flesh nylons, and the other a nice knee length dress, heels and black hosiery walking around at 9 am in the mall. I thought hang on a sec a wee bit early to be dressed like that.

cheers

 

 

Hmmm. I fit none of those categories! I'm a normal 50+ woman who wears daily. :)

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