David@SHQ

The Purpose Of This Forum... Just Stockings Or Tights As Well?

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I have seen endless bickering in this forum over whether it's okay or complete anathema to post sightings of tights as well as stockings.

A quick history lesson. When Stockings HQ began in May 2000 it was a tights-free zone. In 2006 we acquired a second web site when the owners of Silk Stockings decided to call it a day. As that was primarily aimed at the tights market (despite the name), it evolved into Tights And More. That was run alongside Stockings HQ as an entirely separate site until the techie gremlins struck in early 2009.

At that point we had to close both shops for 10 days in order to keep the forums running. It was a choice of one or the other. The database was severely broken. I had to re-build the entire shop side of the site from scratch as soon as I could as there's a limit to how long we could continue with no revenue to pay staff and suppliers.

Reluctantly, the only feasible way to do that was to temporarily merge the two sites together. We were working with an ecommerce company at the time on an all-new version of the shop and forums and the plan was to separate them again once that was all ready.

There was a bit of unrest at the time at the intrusion of tights on Stockings HQ, but the harsh reality was that without merging the sites, we could not have paid the bills. Unfortunately, the ecommerce company we were working with took an awful lot of money in development fees and then promptly went out of business in August 2009, before delivering the site.

It became clear that we would have to start again in 2010, but as the old forum system was well out of date, we moved to this version, with separate SHQ and TAM sub-forums, in August 2009. As time went on, however, objections about tights on Stockings HQ diminished. I think the general consensus was that any hosiery is better than bare legs, even if it has a gusset. Similarly, with the ever smaller range of new stockings being produced, the ever-increasing range of tights meant that we could continue to add new products whereas otherwise there's a fair chance things would have stagnated.

We spent a vast amount of money in 2010 on a new version of the site with a new ecommerce developer. This one didn't go out of business, but they may as well have done. The platform they delivered was shockingly poor to work with. It was slow, unreliable, and didn't ever do half the things it promised. By the time it was finished it was November 2010, but by March 2011 it was clear it simply had to go. And so we built the all new version that you see today throughout 2011 with another company, called Visualsoft. Visualsoft are hugely better and generally a delight to work with. They delivered the new site in October 2011.

But after three years of horrendous expense, and three years of having the two sites merged together, it seemed reasonably pointless to split them up again just for the sake of purity. So the shops, and the forums, have stayed merged.

Which brings us back to this forum.

The TV & media forum was launched at the request of forum users much later than any of the others - and certainly long after the two sites had merged. In the description it says: "This is the forum to post sightings from television, films, music videos and more." It is not product-specific. Clearly the original intention was that it should be about stockings sightings as they are all too rare, while tights used to be a fairly common daily occurrence. However that has changed, and now tights are also becoming a thing of note rather than the norm.

In an ideal world there would be a separate TAM TV & media forum, but it is not an ideal world and I simply do not have any more time at all to devote to maintaining yet another forum. So, the decision was taken that TV and media tights postings were acceptable here as there's nowhere else really to put them. I appreciate that may upset a few, but equally I get deeply frustrated by constantly being called upon to deal with petty arguments and bickering. And given how easy it is to simply skip over a thread you're not really interested in, I can't see that it's a giant hardship.

That, therefore, is that. I shall don the fire-retardant suit for a bit but would just like to take this opportunity to remind you that if you have a problem with a message or a poster the correct thing to do is to use the reporting function to bring it to the attention of the moderators. If you engage in an argument you run a very high risk of getting your account put on indefinite moderator approval.

Now I've said all that I *really* must get back to work!

David@SHQ

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David

Thank you for the clarification and I fully agree with your stance and direction. It amazes me that it is only this forum that appears to suffer from such bickering and arguments. On other forums on this site, members post a sighting of a stocking top in public (with no pictures) and they are congratulated by the other members – such is the friendly nature of that forum.

However, on this forum, the members seem to walk a very rocky road. One member might post a picture of a suspender bump on a celebrity’s skirt, and whilst some may say that is a confirmed sighting, others will argue that it isn’t unless you can see a welt or a thigh. Others again are not happy unless it is a full skirt round her bum signed photo of said celebrity. So we start getting into the debate of what is a confirmed sighting, and members seem to get very angry debating this as they try to force their point, which is totally wrong.

This then brings on the debate of who decides what is a confirmed sighting? At the extreme end (as some members appear to want), we send everything to yourself, and you vet it and verify, and then you post the pictures on a thread. Obviously a totally impractical solution.

Personally, I am quite happy with the sighting of a suspender bump, very happy with a welt and ecstatic for a thigh. But equally, an exquisite sighting of a celebrity in sheer tights can be equally pleasing. The whole debate thing of is she or isn’t she wearing stockings is also fun (as long as it is kept friendly).

But if members are not happy with what is being posted here, then why do they bother entering the thread? You wouldn’t carry on watching a TV programme if you didn’t like it. You would either switch to another channel or switch it off. But I don’t think many would go into print to complain to the BBC etc that their program was crap and misrepresented. So why do members bother to take that stance on this particular forum with possible sightings?

I think one key point that should be considered by yourself is making this particular thread a ‘sticky’ so that it stays at the top of this forum for all to see at all times. The problem we and yourself will eventually face is that if this is not a ‘sticky’ it will eventually roll to Page 2 etc and be forgotten, at which point all the members (and new members) will start the debate again, and spoil what should otherwise be a fun and humorous thread between members who share a common interest in seeing beautiful celebrities in hosiery – hopefully stockings (but tights acceptable).

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this is my favourite part of the forum but lately ive been getting pissed off with the comments of some posters.

Im not a big fan of tights and would love this to be 'stockings only' site but obviously this isnt going to happen now.

As a compromise how about posting something in the title making it Obv if its a blatant tights sighting (tights). Wouldl this make some posters happier?

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As this is the final word on the subject from the Admin then I agree that this should be a sticky.

One sincere request though to those who want to post about tights. OK well done you won the war - you get to post about tights here in this sub forum.

But would it possible where possible to use accurate headlines for your posts? Just so that those who don't want to read about them can avoid the posts quickly.

I appreciate that may not always be possible and I promise (and I'm sure others will agree) not to get grumpy if you don't, especially with first time posters :)

But it would be a great sign of mutual respect from all the factions if we could do something like that.

For example "Susanah Reid -This Morning- Tights". Very simple and I don't think unreasonable.

Thanks

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Well said Bigun. Topic pinned.

Best wishes

David

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There is and WAS no war; simply David clarifying the forums purpose and content. He owns them, he decides. Calling it a war is insulting to soldiers really at war and a smidgen of an over-reaction methinks.

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There is and WAS no war; simply David clarifying the forums purpose and content. He owns them, he decides. Calling it a war is insulting to soldiers really at war and a smidgen of an over-reaction methinks.

Oh for heavens sake it was just a phrase to describe the arguments recently.

I was trying to send out an olive branch to unite us all.

Please don't start another argument over it :)

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i came across the forum because i shop at SHQ for stockings for my wife and the products and service are excellent. I have been visiting the forums for a number of years and under TV sightings the quality of postings particularly the comments have deteriorated. I understand all that David has said, but allowing almost anything to be posted as long as there is some connection to 'legs' has meant that the TV forum is often not worth visiting. The members forum continues to be excellent as nearly all the postings are related to stockings and nothing else. I believe that the Forums should be stockings only related sites.

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I did expect that this path of 'least resistance' would be the outcome and as the forum owner that's David's choice.

So I'll just re-iterate what has been said above: can we make it 'policy' that topics either mention tights or stockings in the heading? That way no one gets confused and we're all happy and can move on, eh? :)

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Bunnyshq ??? Very quiet this morning

What is there to say? David has conceded to the baying mob and basically green-lighted this as just another celebrity forum.

There are bigger and better ones than this out there so what's the point of hanging around?

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What is there to say? David has conceded to the baying mob and basically green-lighted this as just another celebrity forum.

There are bigger and better ones than this out there so what's the point of hanging around?

Well I hope you do stick around. As others and myself have posted on this thread - if we can see intelligent considerate post headers then hopefully the likes of you and I can avoid the majority of tights/hosiery posts that we have no interest in.

I actually thought this forum was the best place for celeb/media stockings sightings. Where have you seen different?

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Thank you David for this and your time in general.

I always thought it was best to post any hosiery TV and Media sightings here to keep it simple.

That said I understand people being frustrated and will try to remember to post somthing in the Title

to suggest the type of hosiery when possible.

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Thank you David for this and your time in general.

I always thought it was best to post any hosiery TV and Media sightings here to keep it simple.

That said I understand people being frustrated and will try to remember to post somthing in the Title

to suggest the type of hosiery when possible.

That's thoughtful of you. Appreciated.

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SORTED!!!!

Thanks David, clear and concise explanation and ruling.

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I am finding it a little ironic that the only people complaining and carrying on the "argument" are the stockings only brigade. David has ruled, that is the end of it. HE pays for these forums; his word is final.

And there were baying mobs on BOTH sides; the pro and con groups are both equally as guilty for taking extreme positions and for unacceptable behaviour to the other. Neither side has come out of this well.

And as invalid/valid as your points may be Bunny, telling members "pity its not your last breath" - i.e. I wish you were dead and "go fuck yourself" doesn't do you or your argument any favours. I know you are a bigger person than that.

A decision has been made. We can do our best to live within it or leave. And no I don't mean just you bunny. I mean anyone pro or con is free to leave at any time if they do NOT like the channel, the rules or what is being posted.

And consider this: David has a business to run. If we carry on like this, and taking up more of David's time than is appropriate, its entirely possible David will say "sod this for a game" and close this and possibly other forums. And is it so important to either side to be right and win if it mean it takes this haven away from us?

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I am finding it a little ironic that the only people complaining and carrying on the "argument" are the stockings only brigade.

And as invalid/valid as your points may be Bunny, telling members "pity its not your last breath" - i.e. I wish you were dead and "go fuck yourself" doesn't do you or your argument any favours. I know you are a bigger person than that.

I'm neither sustaining the 'argument' or protesting. I have said my piece, in that this is no longer a specialist forum due to David taking the easy option in my opinion.

As for some of my comments, I'm not backing down or playing nicey-nice with worms like timmah who is nothing but a wind-up merchant.

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May ne I was wrong after all. Essentially, I'm still in the right, David is wrong. And you take exception to the slightest criticism, yet free free to swear (which am sure IS a breach of the rules - but as the man in the orthopaedic shoe said, I am happy to stand corrected if needs be) and so on?

A bit like a on armed waiter; you seem to able to able to dish it out but not take.

And thats it as far as I am concerned. I will enjoy the forum and the real and possible sightings and not let something essentially trivial upset me to the point i feel the need to tell a complete stranger to "go fuck yourself". I have more to worry myself about. I hoped I could act like oil on the troubled waters. That only works if both sides are willing to try. It seems neither are.

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In my opinion is what I said. And I never said he is wrong, just that he took the easy option...... in my opinion.

And the rest of your post is not worth commenting on as you obviously live on a different planet to me.

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Yes, bunny, I prostrate myself at the world greatest living genius, whose opinion matters more than the man who runs the site. Forgive my temerity in disagreeing with your sage wisdom. I was so wrong in the facts I mentioned wasn't I? I and everyone else imagined you swearing and wishing someone dead, which is a pity as that is undoubtedly a level of debate far above my level of comprehension from which i could have learned at your feet.

Oh and see.. you can make a point without using abuse. And pathetic is letting something like this wind YOU up to this level. I really don't give a flying monkey about this argument. I was (and liteoller *forgive me if i spell it wrong* saw this last night) trying to move the forum on from the in-fighting. Feel free, I really would have to get the level of hysterics to even begin to NOT care. On you go, its your life you're frittering away over trivialities. It is really worth this continuing as a ping-pong game?

Last word from me (really) this time, I am withdrawing from this frankly insane fight and will enjoy the forum for what it is supposed to be: FUN.

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Well i find it ever so slightly ironic that I am on permanent moderator queue for basically laying it on the line to a certain contributor a few months back, who now, having been over-ruled by the site owner resorts to his own swearing tirade! I would lay odds that more than 75% of the hassle David has had to deal with in this forum has included or has been instigated by a single user.

Well done David for setting out with complete clarity what you expect and/or accept in this forum.

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Gents. This is an example of the very reason why David had to get involved and put this thread up in the first place, because members were bickering back and forth over nothing other than their own self inflated egos, trying to force their opinion on others and have the last word. This is why threads get closed down, why this forum has become so argumentative and bad. All because of people like you keeping these petty arguments going for no other reason than your own self gratification.

Enough. The direction has been given over what this forum is about. Just accept it or go elsewhere and let others enjoy this forum. No one is forcing you to stay and carry on these stupid bickerings.

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Yes, bunny, I prostrate myself at the world greatest living genius, whose opinion matters more than the man who runs the site. Forgive my temerity in disagreeing with your sage wisdom. I was so wrong in the facts I mentioned wasn't I? I and everyone else imagined you swearing and wishing someone dead, which is a pity as that is undoubtedly a level of debate far above my level of comprehension from which i could have learned at your feet.

Oh and see.. you can make a point without using abuse. And pathetic is letting something like this wind YOU up to this level. I really don't give a flying monkey about this argument. I was (and liteoller *forgive me if i spell it wrong* saw this last night) trying to move the forum on from the in-fighting. Feel free, I really would have to get the level of hysterics to even begin to NOT care. On you go, its your life you're frittering away over trivialities. It is really worth this continuing as a ping-pong game?

Last word from me (really) this time, I am withdrawing from this frankly insane fight and will enjoy the forum for what it is supposed to be: FUN.

I don't get you, you say that you are here to be the 'middleman' yet your meddling is not warranted. Everyone has accepted David's decision, no one is ranting and raving. Someone asked my opinion, I stated it - I did not throw my toys out of the pram but yet you carry on as though I was staging a dirty protest or something.

As for my 'wishing someone was dead' and telling timmah where to go, perhaps you did not read jarvoid's extended personal attack on me or are aware of timmah's vendetta against me? You may be the type who turns the other cheek but I am not and will always reply as I see fit when my personal life (of which they know absolutely nothing) is brought up.

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Moderation update: Haggis is back. Bunny is banned for a week due to to abusive language.

One day...

David@SHQ

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Because, as I just said to you via PM, you were gloating and making the situation worse at a time when Bunny is unable to respond.

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You say you posted *before* bunny was suspended? I must ask you for the lottery numbers this week!

Okay, lets look at the evidence. You said:

"Bye Bye Bunny, Good Bye! Sick of reading your crap, your a frustrated person, obviously no real stockings in your life. Its so great to be married to a woman that wears daily :P and not living my life fighting with others that dont have stockings in a post. Its allowed to post about both by admin. So if you dont like that..........Bye Bye Bunny, Good Bye"

and then:

"HAHA hes gone now for a week, hopefully he will never return"

All of that before he got banned!

I will let others be the judge of whether that is gloating or not.

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